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TOM RENICK
Avon Park, Florida
2006-07-11 14:40:59

I grew up in Florida and in the 1950s, we had a lot of racisim and it was wrong. It was directed at other Americans whose ancesteral roots in this country were sometimes as deep as my own. It is not racisim to be alarmed when our country has been subjected to waves of undocmented Mexicans. Drive through any central Florida town and you will see huge numbers of signs in Spanish and thousands of poor Mexicans.They are changing our culture at warp speed. It is understandable why anyone would want to live here. It is also a fact that Florida employeers have been all eager to get the cheap labor. Now before you accuse me of being anti-hispanic I must tell you my Brother-in-law has been in Mexico 30 years as a Missionary and there are many fine Mexican folks there and in America. However we must secure our borders and deny the benefits our citizens enjoy to anyone who enters the country by illegal means. A guest worker program is o.k. after the illegal goes back and then gets in line to reenter America. To become a citizen one needs to earn the right by obeying our laws.

Jeanne Morgan Hesperia, California
Avon Park, Florida
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2006-07-12 19:42:14

From Senator Boxer’s Website,“In 2002 Senator Boxer authored legislation, passed by the Senate, to increase criminal penalties for anyone who produces, transfers, possesses, or uses a fake ID in connection with domestic terrorism. It became law in 2005. In both 2002 and 2003, the Senate passed Boxer’s proposal requiring the Transportation Security Administration to develop guidelines on the training of airline workers and the use of technology to detect fake IDs.”

OKAY! So what has happened with this? Why weren’t ILLEGAL ALIENS working in the U.S. illegally included in this? They either steal a Social Security Number or buy fake IDS with intent to commit an unlawful act. Why weren’t the employers who hire ILLEGAL ALIENS included in the process? If the TSA needs guidelines, why not the U.S. employers?

Employers that HIRE ILLEGAL ALIENS often pay in cash, below the minimum wage, and deny benefits. THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW! What is the Senate’s problem with SEVERE PENALTIES AND/OR JAIL TIME for employers that break the law EVERY DAY, MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY?

What is the senate’s problem with STOPPING ILLEGAL ALIENS from entering, working, and staying in this country? Only 2% actually work in the agriculture industry. The rest DO TAKE JOBS AMERICANS WILL DO. They are damaging our country, our economy and costing American taxpayers BILLIONS every year for education, medical care, welfare, housing, and criminal incarceration.

from the Los Angeles Times:
1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L.A.County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L.A.County).
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare.
Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.
The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average АDULT Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE.

doug lawson
Avon Park, Florida
2006-07-13 16:34:25



On 2006-07-12 19:42:14, Jeanne Morgan Hesperia, California said:

From Senator Boxer’s Website,“In 2002 Senator Boxer authored legislation, passed by the Senate, to increase criminal penalties for anyone who produces, transfers, possesses, or uses a fake ID in connection with domestic terrorism. It became law in 2005. In both 2002 and 2003, the Senate passed Boxer’s proposal requiring the Transportation Security Administration to develop guidelines on the training of airline workers and the use of technology to detect fake IDs.”

OKAY! So what has happened with this? Why weren’t ILLEGAL ALIENS working in the U.S. illegally included in this? They either steal a Social Security Number or buy fake IDS with intent to commit an unlawful act. Why weren’t the employers who hire ILLEGAL ALIENS included in the process? If the TSA needs guidelines, why not the U.S. employers?

Employers that HIRE ILLEGAL ALIENS often pay in cash, below the minimum wage, and deny benefits. THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW! What is the Senate’s problem with SEVERE PENALTIES AND/OR JAIL TIME for employers that break the law EVERY DAY, MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY?

What is the senate’s problem with STOPPING ILLEGAL ALIENS from entering, working, and staying in this country? Only 2% actually work in the agriculture industry. The rest DO TAKE JOBS AMERICANS WILL DO. They are damaging our country, our economy and costing American taxpayers BILLIONS every year for education, medical care, welfare, housing, and criminal incarceration.

from the Los Angeles Times:
1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L.A.County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L.A.County).
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare.
Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.
The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average АDULT Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE.

I would come pick fruit from trees if it payed good and it was english speaking. this thing that no one wants to is ****

Jeffrey Owens
Shawnee Mission, Kansas
2006-07-13 17:18:55

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

Most likely isn't a statistic, it's profiling.

Jeanne Morgan Hesperia, California
Avon Park, Florida
2006-07-14 00:49:05



On 2006-07-13 17:18:55, Jeffrey Owens said:

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

Most likely isn't a statistic, it's profiling.

If you lived here and every day heard the news reports about arrests of Hispanic gang menbers for rape, robbery, drive by shootings aimed at other gang members, saw the grafitti in Los Angeles on the sides of buildings, freeway signs, people's fences, and walls of businesses identifying territories you would know what I mean. The police that are being shot, the Hispanic children that are killed by gang drive by shootings in Hispanic areas, the drug wars are battles for control by Hispanic gangs. The majority are uneducated or school dropouts, speak no English, have no job skills, and terrorize their own neighborhoods as well as others. Profiling? I think not!

Sean
Shawnee Mission, Kansas
2006-07-14 08:56:08

Well then there's your problem. You should deport everyone of Hispanic descent because they are the only ones causing any trouble. And the news reports are, I'm sure, completely unbiased and a good source for you to base all of your views about Hispanics on. And once they are all gone I know you will find the Utopia that you are looking for because no other race commits crime. Profiling? I think you don't realize what it means.

Jeremy
Shawnee Mission, Kansas
2006-07-14 17:15:14



On 2006-07-14 08:56:08, Sean said:

Well then there's your problem. You should deport everyone of Hispanic descent because they are the only ones causing any trouble. And the news reports are, I'm sure, completely unbiased and a good source for you to base all of your views about Hispanics on. And once they are all gone I know you will find the Utopia that you are looking for because no other race commits crime. Profiling? I think you don't realize what it means.


Do you think that we should have any protection at all on our borders? Should we have ANY laws against people coming into our country illegally? If so, do you think our laws should be enforced? If not, what are the laws for?

Jeanne Morgan Hesperia, California
Avon Park, Florida
2006-07-14 17:29:29

Obviously you have a mindset and a personal issue that does not allow you to think rationally. I have lived a great many years longer than you and I live in a far more racially diverse area than you do.

I am an American of Native American heritage, along with some European influence. I do not dislike or discriminate against anyone that comes to this country LEGALLY, wants to be a LEGAL American, live within the law, work honestly, pay their taxes, and contribute to their community.

I do not like or approve of gang warfare, damaging other people's property, breaking the law, demanding that others give you what you have not earned, and terrorizing your community.

Perhaps when you have lived a little longer you will understand the political, financial, and emotional price that we will be required to pay if we allow 12 million uneducated, untrained, non-English speaking illegal aliens to remain in our country after breaking the law. We will continue with this TREMENDOUS COST to all American taxpayers when this 12 million grows to 50 million. Because the majority will likely pay no taxes (those with 3-5 dependents and making minimum wage will pay no taxes)the cost of educating their children, providing medical care to their families, transportation, housing, food, welfare, other social services, and of course incarceration of those that break the law, will fall on all American taxpayers. Then you have to add in the cost of providing Social Security, Supplemental Security Income, earned income Tax Credits, FUTA, etc. The cost will be in the BILLIONS and we will ALL pay for it.

The GOVERNMENT HAS NO MONEY EXCEPT WHAT WE GIVE THEM IN TAXES. IF WE MUST ALL PAY FOR 50 to 60 MILLION ADDITIONAL POOR, IT WILL REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN ON EACH AND EVERY TAXPAYER!

Sean
Shawnee Mission, Kansas
2006-07-17 09:24:19



On 2006-07-14 17:15:14, Jeremy said:



On 2006-07-14 08:56:08, Sean said:

Well then there's your problem. You should deport everyone of Hispanic descent because they are the only ones causing any trouble. And the news reports are, I'm sure, completely unbiased and a good source for you to base all of your views about Hispanics on. And once they are all gone I know you will find the Utopia that you are looking for because no other race commits crime. Profiling? I think you don't realize what it means.


Do you think that we should have any protection at all on our borders? Should we have ANY laws against people coming into our country illegally? If so, do you think our laws should be enforced? If not, what are the laws for?


I don't care about the borders, or the laws surrounding immigration. I'm saying that Illegal or not, they aren't the only people who commit crimes.

Jeanne, I think rationally because I don't have a bias against any race, Hispanic or otherwise. I'm sure your age somehow qualifies you to hate though. And unless you're the oldest living person in the world, how do you know you've lived a great many years longer than I have? Or about the area I live in?
It doesn't make sense that this has become a huge issue now. Where were you all while these 12 million people were 'breaking' into our country? Nobody cares until the media tells you to.

Jeanne Morgan Hesperia, California
Avon Park, Florida
2006-07-17 15:48:00



On 2006-07-17 09:24:19, Sean said:



On 2006-07-14 17:15:14, Jeremy said:



On 2006-07-14 08:56:08, Sean said:

Well then there's your problem. You should deport everyone of Hispanic descent because they are the only ones causing any trouble. And the news reports are, I'm sure, completely unbiased and a good source for you to base all of your views about Hispanics on. And once they are all gone I know you will find the Utopia that you are looking for because no other race commits crime. Profiling? I think you don't realize what it means.


Do you think that we should have any protection at all on our borders? Should we have ANY laws against people coming into our country illegally? If so, do you think our laws should be enforced? If not, what are the laws for?


I don't care about the borders, or the laws surrounding immigration. I'm saying that Illegal or not, they aren't the only people who commit crimes.

Jeanne, I think rationally because I don't have a bias against any race, Hispanic or otherwise. I'm sure your age somehow qualifies you to hate though. And unless you're the oldest living person in the world, how do you know you've lived a great many years longer than I have? Or about the area I live in?
It doesn't make sense that this has become a huge issue now. Where were you all while these 12 million people were 'breaking' into our country? Nobody cares until the media tells you to.

Intelligent consideration of a problem that involves an ethnic group is not hate, it is a necessary dialogue.

The problem of illegal immigration is not just a matter of Hispanic or Mexican illegal aliens; it is a matter of survival of our country. If the population of our country is overwhelmed by immigrants that are poor, uneducated, unskilled, non-English speaking with large families and they are in excess of 1/3 of our total population we cannot support and take care of them and our own population.

The cost of providing unlimited resources to an unlimited number of people over an unlimited number of years will indeed make our country into a third world country where we can provide NOTHING to ANYONE. The American taxpayer cannot and will not be able to stand up to that kind of cost.

This is not a problem that I have just become interested in. I have been involved with this since President Eisenhower began considering, and did deport the first 1 million illegal aliens in 1954. I have been writing and calling the President, Senators, Representatives, the California Legislature and the Governor for years.

I am sure that Kansas is not overwhelmed with an illegal alien problem. I am sure the Kansas Legislature is not considering how they will pay over $1 BILLION in Medicaid this year. I am sure the Kansas Legislature is not faced with BILLIONS in education costs for the additional students, need for additional schools and classrooms, and teachers that can teach in the over 100 languages spoken in our schools in California. I am sure that the Kansas taxpayers do not have to pay an additional premium for their car insurance because we have so many drivers without licenses or insurance.

It is a huge issue and has been one for a long time. I am pleased that the media, the Congress, and the President has brought it to the forefront. It should have been done years ago. I hope every American will consider the impact this will have on them and their children. Everyone’s financial future will be impacted for years.

Jeanne Morgan
Avon Park, Florida
2006-07-17 17:57:04

If you want to argue a point you need information. This was printed in January 2004

Infinite Ingress
A human wave is breaking over California, flooding freeways and schools, bloating housing costs, disrupting power and water supplies. Ignoring it hasn't worked.
By Lee Green,For the Times
January 25, 2004
By birth, by foot, by automobile, from other states and other countries, legally and illegally, people have arrived in California for decades in unrelenting swells, human surf breaking steadily on a vast shore. Occasionally a big set rolls in and harasses state and local officials trying to determine how many new classrooms to build or where to bury the trash, but Californians take it in stride. You can complain, but what good would it do? You can complain about winter, too, but it comes anyway.

We tolerate endless strip malls, foul air, contaminated runoff, window-rattling boom boxes and the weekend crush at Costco and Home Depot. We remain composed in the face of runaway housing prices, electricity shortages, crowded schools and—well, maybe not crowded schools. That one rankles. But what we suffer even less well than crowded schools, the thing that makes even the most tolerant Californians notice that their cities have become overstuffed, is all the endless, miserable, stinking, standing traffic. In Los Angeles, in San Diego, in Sacramento, in the Bay Area, freeway traffic sits like an automotive still life, then inches along as we fume in the fumes. On a roadside in San Jose after a fender bender, a driver grabs another driver's small dog, Leo, and throws the helpless animal into oncoming traffic. This is what it has come to in California. We live in the Age of Leo.

If projections through 2040 by demographers in the state Department of Finance prove accurate, conditions will only get worse. Much worse. New residents continue to wash over California's borders, but the state is neither attempting to restrain growth nor building adequate infrastructure to accommodate it. And the boat continues to fill.

During the last half of the last century—an epoch encompassing most of the baby boom and, a generation later, all of the boom's echo—the state's population grew by more than 24 million. The next 24 million—more than the population of Illinois, Indiana, Iowa and Nebraska combined—will arrive more quickly, inflating the total to nearly 60 million within 36 years. Barring the long-overdue mother of all earthquakes, a tightening of federal immigration policy, or the Rapture, California's population, currently at 36 million, likely will double within the lifetime of today's schoolchildren. A close look at the numbers suggests that the 1990s began a pattern in which California receives more new residents each decade than it did the previous one.
The 2020s will witness the greatest 10-year increase in state history, and the numbers in the 2030s will be greater still.

"Come to California," Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger urged the world more than once in his State of the State address this month. But most residents are not happy about this trend. In a 2001 statewide poll conducted by the Public Policy Institute of California, half of the respondents said they considered the previous decade's population growth a "bad thing." More than four of five said that continued growth would make the state a less desirable place to live.

U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein isn't happy about the numbers either. "I find them very distressing and I'll tell you why. If the growth comes before the ability to handle that growth, what you inevitably have is a backlash. That's what drove Proposition 187," she says. That 1994 ballot measure, overwhelmingly approved by voters but later gutted by the courts on constitutional grounds, sought to deprive illegal immigrants of most state-funded social benefits. "I think growth is California's No. 1 problem, and how that growth happens is critical to the future of the state," the Democratic senator adds. "The problem is that most of the growth is concentrated on the West Coast and in cities."

One of the best remedies would be to improve north-south transportation, Feinstein says, specifically by building "a rail spine down the center of the state so that you would be better able to diffuse population instead of having huge congested cities growing all the time with more stress and more strain. I do a lot of flying over California. There is a lot of space in California."

In other words, there's plenty of room at the Hotel California as long as everyone doesn't keep checking into the same overused rooms.

The Eagles were right: This could be heaven or this could be hell. But the more closely you examine California's plight, the more the heaven part looks iffy. No other state has so many residents (Texas ranks second, but with almost 40% fewer people), and no other state comes close to matching California's annual net population increase. In Los Angeles County and five surrounding counties—Orange, San Bernardino, Riverside, Ventura and Imperial—the population now stands at more than 17 million. That's nearly 6% of the U.S. population, one in every 17 Americans, all within a four-hour drive—if you can find four hours when the traffic isn't bad. At least 20% already live in crowded housing, and poverty levels have increased steadily for three decades. Yet during the next 25 years the region is projected to grow by 6 million. This is not exactly a formula for a Golden State.

Most of the conversation about growth these days revolves around principles of growth management—"smart growth" in planning-speak. Schwarzenegger is heading down this road, rhetorically anyway. Smart growth emphasizes increasing density in cities as an alternative to sprawl, enabling people to live close to where they work, minimizing environmental impact, preserving open space, and encouraging public transit, bicycling, and walking rather than driving. But the discussion is always about accommodating growth, never about slowing, limiting, or stabilizing it. Mention the idea of somehow trying to limit the population and politicians react as though you have suggested that our society eat cats and dogs instead of cows and pigs. Curb population growth?

Jeanne Morgan
Avon Park, Florida
2006-07-17 18:02:49

This is why we cannot and should not allow a guest worker amnesty program.

1. Will spouses and children be able to accompany the guest worker? Just minor children, or АDULT ones as well? If any of those amnesty bills pass, a minimum of six million wives and as high as 10 million will
cross our borders from Mexico along with a minimum of three kids each, which equals 18 million and as high as 30 million Spanish speaking students dumped onto our schools. If the other six to ten million
single men--father two kids within the six year work visa, that’s another 12 to 20 million non- English speaking kids dropped into our classrooms. Do we want that kind of nightmare on our already over crowded schools? These stand as horrific consequences if our Senate betrays us with a guest worker program. But it gets worse!

2. Will any or all of the above be able to demand government services in the languages of their choice, per President Clinton's Executive Order 13166? Will the workers be required to have at least a minimal working knowledge of English? Do we want our English language displaced by foreign languages? Do we want to subsidize translations into three or three dozen languages? Can our country withstand the Balkanization and chaos of multiple languages? Do we want Paris, France’s violence to become Paris,
America?

3. Will the children be eligible to attend school, and if so, at whose expense? In what language(s) will they be educated?

4. How will health care services - including birth control - be provided and paid for?

5. Will any children born in the United States, automatically become U.S. citizens?

6. Will the workers be eligible for the Earned Income Tax Credit? Will children remaining in the home country count as deductions when calculating the EITC benefit? How will the number of dependents claimed be verified?

7. Will IRS and Social Security charges be deducted from their wages? Will they be eligible for Social Security benefits, either here, or later in their home country? How many quarters of work will be required
for eligibility? (Six years equals 24 quarters, less than the 40 quarters required for U.S. citizens.)

8. Will workers be permitted to marry? Will those who marry a U.S. citizen, or have a child while here, be able to stay beyond the> six-year period? Would a man who fathers an "illegitimate" child qualify for citizenship on petition by the child when it reaches legal majority?

9. How about Worker's Compensation and unemployment?

10. If the job for which the worker came to the United States disappears, will workers be required to take a different job, or returned home? If relocation is required, who will pay the expense? Will they be eligible for unemployment? If so, who pays the premium?

11. Will child labor laws apply, especially in the fields?

12. Will the workers be able to purchase a car, and obtain a U.S. drivers license? If so, will they be required to purchase automobile insurance, and will this be available to them at a cost they can likely
afford?

13. Will children be eligible to attend college? If so, at what tuition rate: in-state or out-of-state?

14. Will minimum wage laws apply? How about the Davis-Bacon Act?

15. Will the workers be free to unionize to demand improved wages and conditions?

16. Will there be requirements for immunizations, and initial and periodic health clearances? On what schedule? Who pays?

17. Will workers come under any contract? If so, enforceable in what courts? Will public defenders be provided? At whose expense?

18. What system of identification documents will be required?

19. If conditions have not improved in the home country after six years, what are the chances that the guest workers will go home? Did the guest workers imported from Europe after World War II go home when they were no longer needed, or did they stay and send for their families to join them?

20. Will workers and their АDULT spouses be able to vote in local elections?

21. How will the workers (and families) be housed and fed

22. Will workers be permitted to travel home at will?

23. Given these difficulties, won't most employers of the illegal aliens still prefer illegals?

Taken as a whole, isn’t this a system of Indentured Servitude? If you think they’re only picking lettuce, think again. They’re displacing our working poor and millions in our middle class. If you think they
benefit our country, think again. They cost U.S. taxpayers billions of dollars while a few corporation heads make millions. If you think we can withstand a massive onslaught by a foreign country, think again.
How many of you want to see your Stars and Stripes banned in your schools because illegal aliens want to wave their flag in our country?

As you can see, any guest worker program will bring chaos and violence to our country. When the rate of immigration exceeds the rate of assimilation, it’s a recipe for the destruction of any civilization.

Jeanne Morgan
Avon Park, Florida
2006-07-17 18:08:39

This law was enacted in 1997....Christopher Cox, california representative, was author of this bill.
He now heads up the SEC.

Deputizing Local Law Enforcement Personnel. The relatively few federal immigration officers will never be able to apprehend and deport the enormous numbers of illegal aliens currently in the United States. Only when state and local law enforcement officials are authorized to enforce federal immigration laws will there be sufficient manpower to ensure compliance with our system of legal immigration. To this end, I authored Public Law 104-208, which authorizes the Attorney General to deputize local and state law enforcement personnel to assist in the identification, detention, and deportation of illegal aliens. Despite enactment of this law in 1997, this authority was never used by the Clinton administration. Now, we may expect it to be used as intended by Congress.

Jeremy
Avon Park, Florida
2006-07-18 14:17:10

Jeanne, you have done a good job of responsibly answering those fallacious, fiery arguments.

Many people will try to use strong, emotionally charged words like "hate" and "bias" to silence those who believe our laws should be upheld. They do this because they will never win in the war of ideas. They present no real solution (i.e. Sean's "I don't care about the borders, or the laws surrounding immigration"). They fight dirty and irresponsibly; attacking the person presenting the argument instead of the argument itself.

You have a much stronger case than he does (he really has no case at all--just some flaming character accusations), and anyone who looks at this objectively can see that.

Sean
Shawnee Mission, Kansas
2006-07-18 14:39:25



On 2006-07-18 14:17:10, Jeremy said:

Jeanne, you have done a good job of responsibly answering those fallacious, fiery arguments.

Many people will try to use strong, emotionally charged words like "hate" and "bias" to silence those who believe our laws should be upheld. They do this because they will never win in the war of ideas. They present no real solution (i.e. Sean's "I don't care about the borders, or the laws surrounding immigration"). They fight dirty and irresponsibly; attacking the person presenting the argument instead of the argument itself.

You have a much stronger case than he does (he really has no case at all--just some flaming character accusations), and anyone who looks at this objectively can see that.


How is this not an attack?

You're right, I don't have a solution. But I never pretended to. If you would recall, my entire point was that people of the Hispanic race are NOT the only people who commit crimes.

Kris Kemp
Cross City, Florida
2006-07-20 17:45:59



On 2006-07-11 14:40:59, TOM RENICK said:

I grew up in Florida and in the 1950s, we had a lot of racisim and it was wrong. It was directed at other Americans whose ancesteral roots in this country were sometimes as deep as my own. It is not racisim to be alarmed when our country has been subjected to waves of undocmented Mexicans. Drive through any central Florida town and you will see huge numbers of signs in Spanish and thousands of poor Mexicans.They are changing our culture at warp speed. It is understandable why anyone would want to live here. It is also a fact that Florida employeers have been all eager to get the cheap labor. Now before you accuse me of being anti-hispanic I must tell you my Brother-in-law has been in Mexico 30 years as a Missionary and there are many fine Mexican folks there and in America. However we must secure our borders and deny the benefits our citizens enjoy to anyone who enters the country by illegal means. A guest worker program is o.k. after the illegal goes back and then gets in line to reenter America. To become a citizen one needs to earn the right by obeying our laws.
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Rick lady lake
Cape Canaveral, Florida
2006-07-20 20:58:24



On 2006-07-11 14:40:59, TOM RENICK said:

I grew up in Florida and in the 1950s, we had a lot of racisim and it was wrong. It was directed at other Americans whose ancesteral roots in this country were sometimes as deep as my own. It is not racisim to be alarmed when our country has been subjected to waves of undocmented Mexicans. Drive through any central Florida town and you will see huge numbers of signs in Spanish and thousands of poor Mexicans.They are changing our culture at warp speed. It is understandable why anyone would want to live here. It is also a fact that Florida employeers have been all eager to get the cheap labor. Now before you accuse me of being anti-hispanic I must tell you my Brother-in-law has been in Mexico 30 years as a Missionary and there are many fine Mexican folks there and in America. However we must secure our borders and deny the benefits our citizens enjoy to anyone who enters the country by illegal means. A guest worker program is o.k. after the illegal goes back and then gets in line to reenter America. To become a citizen one needs to earn the right by obeying our laws.
People need to understand that we are not just talking about the mexicans, we are also having people from indonesia, china, and other countries that are hard working people but are also here illegal. So please stop saying mexicans like they are the only ones here.It is a tough to be in the situation that the U.S. is in but we need to start thinking about us for once. The illegals are not just taking the jobs that no one wants. Here in Florida they are taking the consrtuction jobs that in other states allowed people (us citizens) to make a good living. For example lic. Electricians make 25-35 dollars an hr , here your lucky to make 10-13 dollars with no benefits(the cost of living isn't cheap here anymore). Another thing we should change is becoming a u.s. citizen if you are born here, that is crazy , you should have to be here legally for your child becomes a citizen. Maybe the people trying to come should put their energies toward making their own countries as good of a place to live as it is here.

Jeanne Morgan
Avon Park, Florida
2006-07-21 21:13:54

I certainly understand your point about illegal aliens that are other than Mexican. In Los Angeles, 1 of every 5 Koreans is here illegally. Large numbers of other nationalities come here on visitor visas and never leave. Many come to the United States as tourists and never leave. California has a large illegal population of many nationalities and they cover ALL countries, ALL religions, and most have paid large sums of money to get here. They all came here for a better life. THEY ALL BROKE THE LAW AND SHOULD BE DEPORTED! THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED TO STAY, THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED TO CITIZENSHIP, THEIR CHILDREN ARE NOT ENTITLED TO CITIZENSHIP, THEY ARE ALL BREAKING THE LAW EVERY DAY THEY ARE HERE!
There are thousands from every country in the world that have waited for years to come here legally. Why should we show preferential treatment to those that have broken the law and shoved their way in and have stayed. I think they should be forced to return to their country and start a process for legal entry. They should not be eligible for Guest worker programs. Their children should not be legal since they entered here illegally.

In a letter I received from Chris Cox, former California Representative, he states:

"Clarifying Citizenship for Legal Immigrants. I have sponsored the Citizenship Reform Act, which will clarify that automatic citizenship is granted to U.S.-born children of legal residents and citizens, but not to the children of persons living illegally in the United States. Today's irrational policy means a child who is an American citizen cannot legally be provided for by his or her parents, because the parents are prohibited under our law from working here.

As a result of the new immigration enforcement laws enacted since September 11, and significant new funding to support these laws, we will finally see a serious effort to protect the nation's sovereignty and security. It is certainly high time: individuals who enter this country without a legitimate application are almost always fully knowledgeable that their action is illegal. Failing to enforce our nation's laws against illegal immigration punishes those many honest men and women who patiently work and wait, many times for years, to earn permanent residency in the United States in accordance with the law. Most importantly, failure to enforce the laws concerning immigration needlessly makes our nation more vulnerable to international terrorism, as the events of September 11 so vividly demonstrated."

Guy Pinestra
Avon Park, Florida
2006-07-22 07:15:03

"You're right, I don't have a solution. But I never pretended to. If you would recall, my entire point was that people of the Hispanic race are NOT the only people who commit crimes."

I don't believe anyone said they were. What was said is that 'illegal aliens' were adding to the crime rate. If you want to know how LEGAL Hispanics feel about think issue Google 'You Don't Speak for Me'.

Jeanne Morgan
Avon Park, Florida
2006-07-22 15:35:26

If you want to contribute to a solution, write, e-mail, fax, and telephone your Governor and State Legislature, the President, the Vice President, all members of the U. S. House of Representatives and the U. S. Senate. You can go on further and contact every member of the Presidents Cabinet, Homeland Security and local Immigration and Customs Enforcement. there is also your local city and county Politicians and local law enforcement. Let your voice be heard and your opinions be known!

Mike
Avon Park, Florida
2006-07-23 17:23:31

This state has had a significant long term spanish speaking population (now about 25%) well before the 1950s. The state agricultural industry has also had a long term relationship with migrant Mexican workers long before you were growing up in the 1950s. Do you think that Disney built Ybor City for the tourists?On I-95 in Dade County the exits said "salida" in the 1970's & 80s. Half of the street names here in Sarasota (named in the 1920s) are named in Spanish. Alot of the towns in Florida are named in spanish

Your fellow Floridians have been pandering to illegals for decades. They can buy a car "sin credito" "sin documentos", open a bank account, buy a house, get a mortgage, marry, divorce, start families, be ordered to pay child support, etc.and pretty much do anything you can do. The welcome mat has been pretty much rolled out for decades(primarily to make money). Do you think it is fair to allow people to come here to work, live like everyone else, for decades....then change their collective minds and want to jail them or deport them now?

Being a legal or illegal immigrant is not black and white. If you were to apply for a visa for a spouse, wether from Canada or Mexico or Russia, they would recieve a 90 day visa and need to be married within those 90 days. You would then need to apply for residency for your spouse. It may take up to 2 years to get their card. In the meantime they are here completely legal but their "official documents" would show they have over extended their visa and are here illegally. There are dozens of other instances where peoples cases are in limbo. This is why these cases are handled by the INS and immigration court and not the local police of little towns.

Jeanne Morgan
Avon Park, Florida
2006-07-24 16:00:33

If you come into this country illegally, regardless of your circumstances or motivation, you KNOWINGLY BREAK THE LAW. Breaking the law means you cannot and should not benefit financially, morally, physically, or socially.

Breaking any law usually brings with it a punishment if you are caught. The punishment for crossing the border ILLEGALLY is deportation and in most cases a permanent ban on entering this country legally.

Twelve million,50 million people or 10 people, the act is the same and the punishment should be consistent. It does not matter if these people were able to work, make friends, open businesses, buy cars, send their kids to school or benefit by deception in any other way. They BROKE THE LAW! They did it with knowledge and they knew the consequences. They perhaps hoped for amnesty, but they are not entitled to it.

You have a door on your home and you have the right to allow or prevent anyone from entering. If someone sneaks into your home, eats your food, steals your car, takes your money, and decides to take over your home with their extended family demanding you support and take care of them, you call the police and have them arrested! Right?? Well???

Barry McConnell
Avon Park, Florida
2006-07-26 09:39:17

i am sorry to see that the council voted down the immagration reform bill on monday night.Big business cracker style in florida.i was wondering if any of the council members are farmers and employing illegals themselves.

meg
Tallahassee, Florida
2006-07-26 12:14:19



On 2006-07-11 14:40:59, TOM RENICK said:

I grew up in Florida and in the 1950s, we had a lot of racisim and it was wrong. It was directed at other Americans whose ancesteral roots in this country were sometimes as deep as my own. It is not racisim to be alarmed when our country has been subjected to waves of undocmented Mexicans. Drive through any central Florida town and you will see huge numbers of signs in Spanish and thousands of poor Mexicans.They are changing our culture at warp speed. It is understandable why anyone would want to live here. It is also a fact that Florida employeers have been all eager to get the cheap labor. Now before you accuse me of being anti-hispanic I must tell you my Brother-in-law has been in Mexico 30 years as a Missionary and there are many fine Mexican folks there and in America. However we must secure our borders and deny the benefits our citizens enjoy to anyone who enters the country by illegal means. A guest worker program is o.k. after the illegal goes back and then gets in line to reenter America. To become a citizen one needs to earn the right by obeying our laws.
i totally agree with you. i have no problem with them (being human) but they have no idea what they are doin to our country. maybe they realize it maybe they dont. but I DO HOWEVER think congress does need to address and put a stop to it. its not right we have to pay for them. what happened to equal opportunity....land of the free??? not likely.

meg
Tallahassee, Florida
2006-07-26 12:21:10



On 2006-07-12 19:42:14, Jeanne Morgan Hesperia, California said:

From Senator Boxer’s Website,“In 2002 Senator Boxer authored legislation, passed by the Senate, to increase criminal penalties for anyone who produces, transfers, possesses, or uses a fake ID in connection with domestic terrorism. It became law in 2005. In both 2002 and 2003, the Senate passed Boxer’s proposal requiring the Transportation Security Administration to develop guidelines on the training of airline workers and the use of technology to detect fake IDs.”

OKAY! So what has happened with this? Why weren’t ILLEGAL ALIENS working in the U.S. illegally included in this? They either steal a Social Security Number or buy fake IDS with intent to commit an unlawful act. Why weren’t the employers who hire ILLEGAL ALIENS included in the process? If the TSA needs guidelines, why not the U.S. employers?

Employers that HIRE ILLEGAL ALIENS often pay in cash, below the minimum wage, and deny benefits. THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW! What is the Senate’s problem with SEVERE PENALTIES AND/OR JAIL TIME for employers that break the law EVERY DAY, MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY?

What is the senate’s problem with STOPPING ILLEGAL ALIENS from entering, working, and staying in this country? Only 2% actually work in the agriculture industry. The rest DO TAKE JOBS AMERICANS WILL DO. They are damaging our country, our economy and costing American taxpayers BILLIONS every year for education, medical care, welfare, housing, and criminal incarceration.

from the Los Angeles Times:
1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L.A.County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L.A.County).
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare.
Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.
The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average АDULT Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE.

you're right somethin needs to be done about this problem. they're responsible for 95% of the murders in l.a.? They dont wanna work and contribute to America the beautiful get them out of here. I live in wyoming and i'm tired of payin for them! Nobody's payin for me! get them out!

meg
Tallahassee, Florida
2006-07-26 12:27:55



On 2006-07-14 17:29:29, Jeanne Morgan Hesperia, California said:

Obviously you have a mindset and a personal issue that does not allow you to think rationally. I have lived a great many years longer than you and I live in a far more racially diverse area than you do.

I am an American of Native American heritage, along with some European influence. I do not dislike or discriminate against anyone that comes to this country LEGALLY, wants to be a LEGAL American, live within the law, work honestly, pay their taxes, and contribute to their community.

I do not like or approve of gang warfare, damaging other people's property, breaking the law, demanding that others give you what you have not earned, and terrorizing your community.

Perhaps when you have lived a little longer you will understand the political, financial, and emotional price that we will be required to pay if we allow 12 million uneducated, untrained, non-English speaking illegal aliens to remain in our country after breaking the law. We will continue with this TREMENDOUS COST to all American taxpayers when this 12 million grows to 50 million. Because the majority will likely pay no taxes (those with 3-5 dependents and making minimum wage will pay no taxes)the cost of educating their children, providing medical care to their families, transportation, housing, food, welfare, other social services, and of course incarceration of those that break the law, will fall on all American taxpayers. Then you have to add in the cost of providing Social Security, Supplemental Security Income, earned income Tax Credits, FUTA, etc. The cost will be in the BILLIONS and we will ALL pay for it.

The GOVERNMENT HAS NO MONEY EXCEPT WHAT WE GIVE THEM IN TAXES. IF WE MUST ALL PAY FOR 50 to 60 MILLION ADDITIONAL POOR, IT WILL REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN ON EACH AND EVERY TAXPAYER!

we're already paying. we're done like a turd in the hot summer sun. you can't reverse this or can you?

meg
Tallahassee, Florida
2006-07-26 12:35:41



On 2006-07-17 15:48:00, Jeanne Morgan Hesperia, California said:



On 2006-07-17 09:24:19, Sean said:



On 2006-07-14 17:15:14, Jeremy said:



On 2006-07-14 08:56:08, Sean said:

Well then there's your problem. You should deport everyone of Hispanic descent because they are the only ones causing any trouble. And the news reports are, I'm sure, completely unbiased and a good source for you to base all of your views about Hispanics on. And once they are all gone I know you will find the Utopia that you are looking for because no other race commits crime. Profiling? I think you don't realize what it means.


Do you think that we should have any protection at all on our borders? Should we have ANY laws against people coming into our country illegally? If so, do you think our laws should be enforced? If not, what are the laws for?


I don't care about the borders, or the laws surrounding immigration. I'm saying that Illegal or not, they aren't the only people who commit crimes.

Jeanne, I think rationally because I don't have a bias against any race, Hispanic or otherwise. I'm sure your age somehow qualifies you to hate though. And unless you're the oldest living person in the world, how do you know you've lived a great many years longer than I have? Or about the area I live in?
It doesn't make sense that this has become a huge issue now. Where were you all while these 12 million people were 'breaking' into our country? Nobody cares until the media tells you to.

Intelligent consideration of a problem that involves an ethnic group is not hate, it is a necessary dialogue.

The problem of illegal immigration is not just a matter of Hispanic or Mexican illegal aliens; it is a matter of survival of our country. If the population of our country is overwhelmed by immigrants that are poor, uneducated, unskilled, non-English speaking with large families and they are in excess of 1/3 of our total population we cannot support and take care of them and our own population.

The cost of providing unlimited resources to an unlimited number of people over an unlimited number of years will indeed make our country into a third world country where we can provide NOTHING to ANYONE. The American taxpayer cannot and will not be able to stand up to that kind of cost.

This is not a problem that I have just become interested in. I have been involved with this since President Eisenhower began considering, and did deport the first 1 million illegal aliens in 1954. I have been writing and calling the President, Senators, Representatives, the California Legislature and the Governor for years.

I am sure that Kansas is not overwhelmed with an illegal alien problem. I am sure the Kansas Legislature is not considering how they will pay over BILLION in Medicaid this year. I am sure the Kansas Legislature is not faced with BILLIONS in education costs for the additional students, need for additional schools and classrooms, and teachers that can teach in the over 100 languages spoken in our schools in California. I am sure that the Kansas taxpayers do not have to pay an additional premium for their car insurance because we have so many drivers without licenses or insurance.

It is a huge issue and has been one for a long time. I am pleased that the media, the Congress, and the President has brought it to the forefront. It should have been done years ago. I hope every American will consider the impact this will have on them and their children. Everyone’s financial future will be impacted for years.

here here. how do we feed them if we cant even feed our own homeless? very very good point.

Jeanne Morgan
Avon Park, Florida
2006-07-26 14:34:35



On 2006-07-26 12:21:10, meg said:



On 2006-07-12 19:42:14, Jeanne Morgan Hesperia, California said:

From Senator Boxer’s Website,“In 2002 Senator Boxer authored legislation, passed by the Senate, to increase criminal penalties for anyone who produces, transfers, possesses, or uses a fake ID in connection with domestic terrorism. It became law in 2005. In both 2002 and 2003, the Senate passed Boxer’s proposal requiring the Transportation Security Administration to develop guidelines on the training of airline workers and the use of technology to detect fake IDs.”

OKAY! So what has happened with this? Why weren’t ILLEGAL ALIENS working in the U.S. illegally included in this? They either steal a Social Security Number or buy fake IDS with intent to commit an unlawful act. Why weren’t the employers who hire ILLEGAL ALIENS included in the process? If the TSA needs guidelines, why not the U.S. employers?

Employers that HIRE ILLEGAL ALIENS often pay in cash, below the minimum wage, and deny benefits. THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW! What is the Senate’s problem with SEVERE PENALTIES AND/OR JAIL TIME for employers that break the law EVERY DAY, MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY?

What is the senate’s problem with STOPPING ILLEGAL ALIENS from entering, working, and staying in this country? Only 2% actually work in the agriculture industry. The rest DO TAKE JOBS AMERICANS WILL DO. They are damaging our country, our economy and costing American taxpayers BILLIONS every year for education, medical care, welfare, housing, and criminal incarceration.

from the Los Angeles Times:
1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L.A.County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L.A.County).
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare.
Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.
The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average АDULT Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE.

you're right somethin needs to be done about this problem. they're responsible for 95% of the murders in l.a.? They dont wanna work and contribute to America the beautiful get them out of here. I live in wyoming and i'm tired of payin for them! Nobody's payin for me! get them out!

You all have some type of security for your home and your possessions. You install doors, windows, locks, fences, gates.

Our country needs to install some security to protect us and our country. The Senate voted July 16, 2006 to NOT FUND THE ADDITIONAL 700 MILES OF FENCE THEY VOTED TO INSTALL IN MAY! They are not interested in securing the border, they want the additional people because they feel the will get the additional voters! THIS IS TOTAL NONSENSE!!!!!

PLEASE, write your Senators! You can go to Google or Yahoo and put in U.S.Senate and you can get a list of all Senators by State, Party, or Alphabetical. Select your senators, (and others if you have the time ), go to their website and send them an e-mail. Send them at least one e-mail a day and tell them you are angry that they will not secure the borders. Point out to them that you do not want to PAY additional taxes to support ILLEGAL ALIENS!

You can contact your Representative the same way. Go to Google or Yahoo and put in U.S. House of Representatives. E-mail your representative every day. You can "cut and paste" the same message to all. If you need additional information, cut and paste some of the messages from this page.

We all need to participate. A democratic system of government requires the participation of all of the citizens to succeed. If you want representation, you must let your representatives in the government know your viewpoints!

Jeanne Morgan
Avon Park, Florida
2006-07-26 14:45:39

Just a reminder! Do not complain today! Your country is worth protecting. Your country is worth your patriotism. Your country may not be perfect, but it is the only country in the world that people are fighting to get in instead of struggling to get out.

Your alarm goes off, you hit the snooze and sleep for another 10 minutes.
He stays up for days on end.
You take a warm shower to help you wake up.
He goes days or weeks without running water.
You complain of a "headache", and call in sick.
He gets shot at as others are hit, and keeps moving forward.

You put on your "anti war/don't support the troops" shirt,and go meet up with your friends.
He still fights for your right to wear that shirt.
You make sure your cell phone is in your pocket.
He clutches the cross hanging on his chain next to his dog tags.
You talk trash about your "buddies" that aren't with you.
He knows he may not see some of his buddies again.

You walk down the beach, staring at all the pretty girls.
He walks the streets, searching for insurgents and terrorists.
You complain about how hot it is.
He wears his heavy gear, not daring to take off his helmet to wipe his brow.
You go out to lunch, and complain because the restaurant got your order wrong.
He doesn't get to eat today.

Your wife or mom makes your bed and washes your clothes.
He wears the same things for weeks, but makes sure his weapons are clean.
You go to the mall and get your hair redone.
He doesn't have time to brush his teeth today.

You're angry because your class ran 5 minutes over.
He's told he will be held over an extra 2 months.
You call your girlfriend and set a date for tonight.
He waits for the mail to see if there is a letter from home.

You hug and kiss your girlfriend, like you do everyday.
He holds his letter close and smells his love's perfume.
You roll your eyes as a baby cries.
He gets a letter with pictures of his new child, and wonders if they'll ever meet.

You criticize your government, and say that war never solves anything.
He sees the innocent tortured and killed by their own people and remembers why he is fighting.
You hear the jokes about the war, and make fun of men like him.
He hears the gunfire, bombs and screams of the wounded.
You see only what the media wants you to see.
He sees the broken bodies lying around him.

You are asked to go to the store by your parents. You don't.
He does exactly what he is told.
You stay at home and watch TV.
He takes whatever time he is given to call, write home, sleep, and eat.
You crawl into your soft bed, with down pillows,and get comfortable.
He crawls under a tank for shade and a 5 minute nap, only to be awakened by gunfire.
You sit there and judge him, saying the world is probably a worse place because of men like him.
If only there were more men like him!

Jeanne Morgan
Avon Park, Florida
2006-07-26 15:06:51

Here is a little bit of information you may be surprised to learn about! This is happening because the American citizen is not watching and not involved!
Watching government eliminate our borders
By Henry Lamb, July 15, 2006
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

It began in 1993 with an expansion of the "La Paz Agreement" between the United States and Mexico. Bill Clinton issued Executive Order 12904 in 1994, which created the Border Environment Cooperation Commission to oversee development in "Border Region XXI," a region 62-miles wide on either side of the U.S./Mexico border.

This little-known agreement, a side deal in the much-touted North America Free Trade Agreement, was a precursor to the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, born in March 2005. The agreement was reinforced in March 2006 when the governments of Mexico, the United States and Canada met again to focus on their agenda to erase national borders.

With even less public attention, plans for a transportation super-corridor were unfolding. This quarter-mile-wide, highway-rail corridor will stretch from Lazaro Cardenas in southern Mexico to the Canadian border – and beyond. Kansas City is seen as the primary inland port that will house both Mexican and U.S. customs officials.

Public hearings are being held now in Texas, where thousands of landowners will be uprooted by right-of-way acquisitions. It seems to matter very little what the people who are directly affected think or want. The project rumbles forward, as if the agencies involved had never been exposed to the idea that "... government is empowered by the consent of the governed."

Where is Congress? If there was a bill enacted into law that authorized the Executive Branch to enter into this agreement or to plan this massive transportation corridor, it certainly didn't make the news. What little is known about these projects has been dug up by WorldNetDaily and other alternative media.

Government apparently assumes that these projects will be good for America. Whether or not the people want these projects is not a factor to be considered.

There can be no doubt that commodities will move faster through this super-corridor than current transportation modalities will allow. This includes such things as illegal drugs, illegal aliens, terrorists and whatever else anyone wants to get into the United States. Promises that the corridor will be "secure" ring hollow in the light of past efforts to secure the U.S. border.

At the root of the problem is an evolving concept of what America is or was or should be. For nearly a century, America led the world in freedom and prosperity, not because government decided what is best for America, but because a free people decided what government could and could not do.

Somewhere along the way, the people got too busy earning a living or watching ball games or shopping or vacationing or getting rich off government projects, so that the idea of limiting government initiatives fell out of favor. The idea of a citizen legislature became obsolete. Government became the domain of the professionals. Professional bureaucrats and professional legislators now run the government, and they are aided by professional NGOs – non-government organizations – that take tax dollars to serve as "partners" with government to give the appearance of public involvement.

Most of America seems perfectly content to let government do whatever it wants. Aside from complaining, there is little evidence that the majority of Americans care enough about what the nation is becoming to do the work necessary to return government to the people.

Both the Clinton and Bush administrations have let our borders fade away by refusing to enforce immigration laws and by actively promoting the erasure of our borders through trade agreements that give away American prosperity. These agreements have one goal: to homogenize the economies of the three nations.

Consider this: Per capita income in the U.S. is $41,800; in Canada, $34,000; in Mexico, $10,000. Were these three economies "homogenized," as is the goal of the trade agreements and the Security and Prosperity Partnership, the per capita income of all three nations would be $28,000. It's not hard to see who wins, and who loses.

The first responsibility of the U.S. government is to the people of the United States. These tri-lateral agreements are not for the benefit of Americans, but for the benefit of others. We used to have a name for governments that took wealth from those who had it for redistribution to those who didn't. Once, it was called communism, socialism or worse. Now it is called NAFTA, CAFTA and the Security and Prosperity Partnership.

Once these agreements erase our borders, America will be nothing more than a member of the North American Union, with only a fading memory of glories past.

Henry Lamb is the executive vice president of the Environmental Conservation Organization http://www.eco.freedom.org/el/ and chairman of Sovereignty International. http://www.sovereignty.net/

Fran Simoneau
Fernandina Beach, Florida
2006-07-30 23:48:39

I want to say I am shocked. Shocked and outraged. But then I must say, Am I suprised?
No. So where is my shock and outrage coming from?
My soul. Mine and others whom have abandoned their conscience for convienence. This is the shame of the American spirit.
Self-absorbed Americans. Our poor mindless children whom we have failed to impart a sense of obligation for our freedoms.

Jeanne Morgan
Avon Park, Florida
2006-07-31 12:53:09

How Long Do We Have?
About the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution, in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage.

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:
Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million; Bush: 143 million;
Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000; Bush: 2,427,000
States won by: Gore: 19; Bush: 29
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2; Bush: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizens of this great country.
Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off government welfare..."
Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some 40 percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.
Apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.

PS - If the Senate grants Amnesty and citizenship to 20 million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then goodbye USA.in less than 5 years.

Ray Kania
Citrus Springs, Florida
2006-07-31 22:10:48

The argument about stopping illegal immigrants is pointless. On March 23, 2005, George Bush, Vicente Fox of Mexico, and P.M. Martin of Canada committed their nations to the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America. According to the plan for Building a North American Community, this will be an integration of the three nations into a regional trading state, run by trade agreements benefitting multinational business. The plan includes a common security perimeter around all three nations and open borders. One name suggested and referred to in official statements from the Whitehouse website is North America. The U.S. dollar will be replaced (possibly by the amero). Organizations will be established to meet and implement the union, without the knowledge or consent of most of Congress and the American people.

The reason George Bush has refused to secure our border with Mexico is he wants cheap labor from that nation as well as high tech cheap labor from India and other Asian countries. These workers are replacing American engineers who are being fired. In addition, over a million well-paying factory jobs have been shipped to Asian countries like China, where young women slave for up to 90 hours a week for 14 to 25 cents an hour with no
benefits, all for American companies.

These actions by our president, members of his administration and multinational companies (such as Wal-Mart) are aimed at reducing the wages of American workers by 2010, when this new political and economic union will be in place.

The Task force planning this corporate trading state recommends a: "Move to full labor mobility [by 2010] between Canada and the United States." Eliminate "...all remaining barriers to the ability of their citizens to live and work in the other country." This policy should extend to Mexico later, when the "...wage differentials between Mexico and its two North American neighbors have diminished considerably." [pp.27,28] Comprende now?

So Americans can look forward to the continuing tsunami from south of the border,another 60,000,000 immigrants over the next 20 years if Bush's "comprehensive" immigration bill passes. These people will not assimilate. Balkanization of our nation is a certainty and Bush will have done what no foreign army has done. He will have successfully deconstructed (destroyed) the greatest nation in history.

Note: On June 27, 2005, George Bush commended secretaries Gutierrez, Rice, and Michael Chertoff for their efforts in implementing the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North
America.

One part of the plan, Social Security benefits for illegal aliens and their dependents has already passed as part of the Senate immigration bill and another, which will put in place a security perimeter around all three nations and allow for open borders is in committee, submitted by Rep. Harris (R) of Florida.

You want documentation. Go to www.raykania.com and click on nafta. Then go to www.thelastgringo.com and see where illegal immigration is part of the effort to overthrow our government by the Bush/corporate alliance. Still don't believe it? Print and save the information. Then stay tuned.

Jeanne Morgan
Avon Park, Florida
2006-08-01 12:44:06



On 2006-07-31 22:10:48, Ray Kania said:

The argument about stopping illegal immigrants is pointless. On March 23, 2005, George Bush, Vicente Fox of Mexico, and P.M. Martin of Canada committed their nations to the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America. According to the plan for Building a North American Community, this will be an integration of the three nations into a regional trading state, run by trade agreements benefitting multinational business. The plan includes a common security perimeter around all three nations and open borders. One name suggested and referred to in official statements from the Whitehouse website is North America. The U.S. dollar will be replaced (possibly by the amero). Organizations will be established to meet and implement the union, without the knowledge or consent of most of Congress and the American people.

The reason George Bush has refused to secure our border with Mexico is he wants cheap labor from that nation as well as high tech cheap labor from India and other Asian countries. These workers are replacing American engineers who are being fired. In addition, over a million well-paying factory jobs have been shipped to Asian countries like China, where young women slave for up to 90 hours a week for 14 to 25 cents an hour with no
benefits, all for American companies.

These actions by our president, members of his administration and multinational companies (such as Wal-Mart) are aimed at reducing the wages of American workers by 2010, when this new political and economic union will be in place.

The Task force planning this corporate trading state recommends a: "Move to full labor mobility [by 2010] between Canada and the United States." Eliminate "...all remaining barriers to the ability of their citizens to live and work in the other country." This policy should extend to Mexico later, when the "...wage differentials between Mexico and its two North American neighbors have diminished considerably." [pp.27,28] Comprende now?

So Americans can look forward to the continuing tsunami from south of the border,another 60,000,000 immigrants over the next 20 years if Bush's "comprehensive" immigration bill passes. These people will not assimilate. Balkanization of our nation is a certainty and Bush will have done what no foreign army has done. He will have successfully deconstructed (destroyed) the greatest nation in history.

Note: On June 27, 2005, George Bush commended secretaries Gutierrez, Rice, and Michael Chertoff for their efforts in implementing the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North
America.

One part of the plan, Social Security benefits for illegal aliens and their dependents has already passed as part of the Senate immigration bill and another, which will put in place a security perimeter around all three nations and allow for open borders is in committee, submitted by Rep. Harris (R) of Florida.

You want documentation. Go to www.raykania.com and click on nafta. Then go to www.thelastgringo.com and see where illegal immigration is part of the effort to overthrow our government by the Bush/corporate alliance. Still don't believe it? Print and save the information. Then stay tuned.

You are so right! I have read this also and have written to my senators and representative and asked for a response. Guess what, no response! I am very concerned about what this is going to do to my grandchildren. They certainly are not going to have the same country that I grew up in.

As long as the American population refuses to get involved, they will allow this to happen.

Liberty and freedom are a privilege. With that privilege comes the responsibilities of involvement and the right to vote. There is no PRIVILEGE without RESPONSIBILITY and there are no RIGHTS without DUTIES. Every citizen has the responsibility to involve themselves in a democracy. The democratic process will not function without people participating and VOTING! It is not someone else's job, it is your job!

connie gonzales
Marlin, Texas
2006-08-04 09:53:05

To all you people. the whites invaded America first. The indians were the FIRST PEOPLE who found Amaerica why doesn't anyone comment on that. the Mexicans are the true workers they're the ones that build your luxury houses, they're out in the hot sun picking fruit so you can eatand where are the Americans? in the office buildings in the fresh cool aircondition. Tell me, when have you seen a white person out in the "parcela" field picking fruit? never right and you never will. So just imagine A DAY WITHOUT A MEXICAN. Rent the movie. Then you can talk alll you want. My father was a resident of the United States he was from Mexico he came to the U.S to work. Since he was 25yrs old untill he got sick of diabetes, he worked out in the fields, in the hot sun and in the cold weather never once complained about it he just gave thanks to God for giving him the chance to earn a couple of dollars to raise us girls.My father died at the age of 71 od diabetes. And did he ever get a Thank you from his American born boss for all that he did not once!!!!

Jeanne Morgan
Avon Park, Florida
2006-08-05 17:57:51



On 2006-08-04 09:53:05, connie gonzales said:

To all you people. the whites invaded America first. The indians were the FIRST PEOPLE who found Amaerica why doesn't anyone comment on that. the Mexicans are the true workers they're the ones that build your luxury houses, they're out in the hot sun picking fruit so you can eatand where are the Americans? in the office buildings in the fresh cool aircondition. Tell me, when have you seen a white person out in the "parcela" field picking fruit? never right and you never will. So just imagine A DAY WITHOUT A MEXICAN. Rent the movie. Then you can talk alll you want. My father was a resident of the United States he was from Mexico he came to the U.S to work. Since he was 25yrs old untill he got sick of diabetes, he worked out in the fields, in the hot sun and in the cold weather never once complained about it he just gave thanks to God for giving him the chance to earn a couple of dollars to raise us girls.My father died at the age of 71 od diabetes. And did he ever get a Thank you from his American born boss for all that he did not once!!!!
If you will note above, I am of American Indian descent. Cherokee.

In this life we all have choices. Your father had choices. He had a choice to seek an education. He could have chosen to work and support himself and go on to college and become an engineer, a doctor, an accountant, or even a business owner engaged in the business of owning a farm.

The choice to stop learning, to marry or seek a mate, to have children, and to choose to work all of his life for someone else was his, not mine or anyone else’s. The choice to come to this country illegally, if in fact he did, was his choice. If this was his choice, he set a poor example for his children by showing them they could TAKE what they had not earned.

If your father came here and did not assimilate into the American culture, that was his choice. If he chose to never learn English, never continue his education, never instill in his children the value of education as the road to success, then that was his choice. Another poor choice that he alone made.

If he was a farm worker with 4 children, I am sure he availed himself and his family of medical services through the Medicaid system in your state. I am sure if you and your sisters were born here he utilized the medical services of the county to pay for your births. Additionally, he could receive, or did have, medical service for his diabetes. If he did not elect to get these services, that was also his choice. If he received medicine but failed to take it, that again was his choice. If, after he was unable to work, I am sure he received support and care from Social Security, this was a choice that he had the privilege of making.

I am sure that his home country would have provided none of these services. If all he wanted and needed was available in Mexico, why did he come here?

To provide for the Medicaid services, the educational services, the housing assistance, the food stamps, school meal programs, Social Security services for the disabled, along with the Medicaid services to care for the elderly poor, is a choice that the rest of us selfish, mean, nasty, uncaring, self centered American taxpayers pay for and provide to those that either have made poor choices in their lifetime or those that have suffered setbacks due to circumstances beyond their control.

The AMERICAN TAXPAYER has paid, cared for, and demonstrated their willingness to help others all over the world. For you to sit and gripe and complain that you did not get enough from all of us is unbelievable. You are in this country, received the benefits of an education (which you could or could not accept), have the freedom to learn and become whatever you want, have the freedom to say and go wherever you want, and you have the nerve to say that the AMERICAN TAXPAYER that helped to raise you, provide for you and the rest of your family, and give you the freedoms and privileges of this country did not say “thank you” to your father for the job he did and was paid for by his own choice?

My dear Connie, you had better return to whatever village or town your father came from and see what would have become of you if you had been born and raised there instead of here. Then when you return, you can say thank you to this country for having the provisions to allow you to stay here.

You and your sisters having the privilege to be born and raised here was the one good choice your father made. You should be proud and pleased that he cared enough for you to give you this. Get the chip off of your shoulder and be an AMERICAN. Be proud to be in this country, straighten your backbone, get an education, pay your taxes, contribute to your American culture, and succeed.

That would be the best thanks you could give to your father. That would make him proud that he made a great choice for you.

CONNIE
Marlin, Texas
2006-08-08 12:42:59

iam proud that i was born here in America. What i was trying to point out, which apparently you didn't get, is why everyone points the finger to all the illegal aliens that cross the border to look for a better place to live. I mean really they are the ones that , like i said before, work out in the hot sun building houses where you and i live, they build buildings, they're out picking vegetables and fruits, by hand mind you,. why not look at the good things they do instead of critisizing them. They're not taking away our jobs they're helping us. MEXICANS do what the AMERICANS like you and i DO NOT! BREAK THEIR BACKS, LITERALLY TO FEED US. And I as a PROUD AMERICAN TIP MY HAT OFF TO THEM AND THANK THEM. NOW TO ALL THAT YOU SAID ABOVE, I'M AWARE OF THAT AND UNTILL MY DAD DIED I THANKED HIM EVERY DAY FOR COMING TO AMERICA FOR MY SISTERS AND I TO BE BORN HERE AND I ALSO THANKED GOD BECAUSE IF IT WASN'T FOR HIM YOU AND I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HERE EITHER!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeanne Morgan
Avon Park, Florida
2006-08-09 18:43:02



On 2006-08-08 12:42:59, CONNIE said:

iam proud that i was born here in America. What i was trying to point out, which apparently you didn't get, is why everyone points the finger to all the illegal aliens that cross the border to look for a better place to live. I mean really they are the ones that , like i said before, work out in the hot sun building houses where you and i live, they build buildings, they're out picking vegetables and fruits, by hand mind you,. why not look at the good things they do instead of critisizing them. They're not taking away our jobs they're helping us. MEXICANS do what the AMERICANS like you and i DO NOT! BREAK THEIR BACKS, LITERALLY TO FEED US. And I as a PROUD AMERICAN TIP MY HAT OFF TO THEM AND THANK THEM. NOW TO ALL THAT YOU SAID ABOVE, I'M AWARE OF THAT AND UNTILL MY DAD DIED I THANKED HIM EVERY DAY FOR COMING TO AMERICA FOR MY SISTERS AND I TO BE BORN HERE AND I ALSO THANKED GOD BECAUSE IF IT WASN'T FOR HIM YOU AND I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HERE EITHER!!!!!!!!!!!!
Connie, you don’t seem to realize that it is a violation of the law to cross the border without legal right to do so. ANY person from ANY country that enters the United States illegally has broken the law.

I owe no thanks to anyone that breaks the law and violates my country.

If anyone that entered the United States illegally stays here, they are intentionally breaking the law every day they are here. If they accept ANY employment it is in violation of the law! If they APPLY FOR AND TAKE medical care through Medicaid, that is against the law. If they send their children to school, that is against the law. If they APPLY for any Social Security benefits, that is against the law. All of these are privileges and services that are paid for by American Taxpayers for American Taxpayers.

People that come here illegally are not entitled to break the law just because they want a better place to live. These people are not entitled to privileges and services that are paid for by American Taxpayers. Many DO get jobs, many DO get privileges and services that they are essentially stealing from American Taxpayers.

We, the American Taxpayers, have a right to expect that the privileges and services that we work for and pay for should be exclusively for the benefit of the American Citizen.

I understand that your father wanted a better place to live. There are millions all over the world that want a better place to live. We cannot support them all. We cannot let them all come here. We cannot provide for all of the children that need an education, medical care, a good job, and a nice place to live. The American Taxpayer is very generous and very giving, but we do not have the capacity to take care of everyone in the world.

Americans can and do assist other governments in other countries to educate their populations, develop their work force, develop trade, infrastructure, business communities, and better living conditions. It is the responsibility of the people of other countries to fight and work for those things that they want for a better life.

If your father had wanted a better life for himself and his family, he should have stayed in his own country and fought for a better political power, fought for a better government, fought for a better standard of living, and fought for better civil rights and an better education for his children. Instead he chose to come here, break the law and TAKE what he wanted from someone else. Staying in Mexico and working for a better life would have been far more honorable than coming here and ILLEGALLY TAKING what he wanted and was not willing to fight for in his own country.

We realize that we are the only country in the world that people are fighting to get in, and not fighting to get out. It took many years, wars, bloodshed, and a belief in freedom for all. We have worked hard for our country and continue to work to make sure that our freedoms are protected.

Yes, I resent people that come here illegally and TAKE from our citizens. If you want what we have fought for, stand up, straighten your backbone, behave like a patriot and take control of your own country. If you have what it takes, you can build your own freedoms, your own independence, and your own country.

Connie
Belton, Texas
2006-08-10 12:38:02



On 2006-08-09 18:43:02, Jeanne Morgan said:



On 2006-08-08 12:42:59, CONNIE said:

iam proud that i was born here in America. What i was trying to point out, which apparently you didn't get, is why everyone points the finger to all the illegal aliens that cross the border to look for a better place to live. I mean really they are the ones that , like i said before, work out in the hot sun building houses where you and i live, they build buildings, they're out picking vegetables and fruits, by hand mind you,. why not look at the good things they do instead of critisizing them. They're not taking away our jobs they're helping us. MEXICANS do what the AMERICANS like you and i DO NOT! BREAK THEIR BACKS, LITERALLY TO FEED US. And I as a PROUD AMERICAN TIP MY HAT OFF TO THEM AND THANK THEM. NOW TO ALL THAT YOU SAID ABOVE, I'M AWARE OF THAT AND UNTILL MY DAD DIED I THANKED HIM EVERY DAY FOR COMING TO AMERICA FOR MY SISTERS AND I TO BE BORN HERE AND I ALSO THANKED GOD BECAUSE IF IT WASN'T FOR HIM YOU AND I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HERE EITHER!!!!!!!!!!!!
Connie, you don’t seem to realize that it is a violation of the law to cross the border without legal right to do so. ANY person from ANY country that enters the United States illegally has broken the law.

I owe no thanks to anyone that breaks the law and violates my country.

If anyone that entered the United States illegally stays here, they are intentionally breaking the law every day they are here. If they accept ANY employment it is in violation of the law! If they APPLY FOR AND TAKE medical care through Medicaid, that is against the law. If they send their children to school, that is against the law. If they APPLY for any Social Security benefits, that is against the law. All of these are privileges and services that are paid for by American Taxpayers for American Taxpayers.

People that come here illegally are not entitled to break the law just because they want a better place to live. These people are not entitled to privileges and services that are paid for by American Taxpayers. Many DO get jobs, many DO get privileges and services that they are essentially stealing from American Taxpayers.

We, the American Taxpayers, have a right to expect that the privileges and services that we work for and pay for should be exclusively for the benefit of the American Citizen.

I understand that your father wanted a better place to live. There are millions all over the world that want a better place to live. We cannot support them all. We cannot let them all come here. We cannot provide for all of the children that need an education, medical care, a good job, and a nice place to live. The American Taxpayer is very generous and very giving, but we do not have the capacity to take care of everyone in the world.

Americans can and do assist other governments in other countries to educate their populations, develop their work force, develop trade, infrastructure, business communities, and better living conditions. It is the responsibility of the people of other countries to fight and work for those things that they want for a better life.

If your father had wanted a better life for himself and his family, he should have stayed in his own country and fought for a better political power, fought for a better government, fought for a better standard of living, and fought for better civil rights and an better education for his children. Instead he chose to come here, break the law and TAKE what he wanted from someone else. Staying in Mexico and working for a better life would have been far more honorable than coming here and ILLEGALLY TAKING what he wanted and was not willing to fight for in his own country.

We realize that we are the only country in the world that people are fighting to get in, and not fighting to get out. It took many years, wars, bloodshed, and a belief in freedom for all. We have worked hard for our country and continue to work to make sure that our freedoms are protected.

Yes, I resent people that come here illegally and TAKE from our citizens. If you want what we have fought for, stand up, straighten your backbone, behave like a patriot and take control of your own country. If you have what it takes, you can build your own freedoms, your own independence, and your own country.

But why then does everyone point the finger to the Mexicans crossing the border. there are alot of illegals from all over the world that are crossing but all you here is the Mexicans crossing. Whats up with that? DONT BOTHER ANSWERING YOU SEEM TO GET ALL PARANOID.

Jeanne Morgan
Avon Park, Florida
2006-08-10 15:56:18



On 2006-08-10 12:38:02, Connie said:



On 2006-08-09 18:43:02, Jeanne Morgan said:



On 2006-08-08 12:42:59, CONNIE said:

iam proud that i was born here in America. What i was trying to point out, which apparently you didn't get, is why everyone points the finger to all the illegal aliens that cross the border to look for a better place to live. I mean really they are the ones that , like i said before, work out in the hot sun building houses where you and i live, they build buildings, they're out picking vegetables and fruits, by hand mind you,. why not look at the good things they do instead of critisizing them. They're not taking away our jobs they're helping us. MEXICANS do what the AMERICANS like you and i DO NOT! BREAK THEIR BACKS, LITERALLY TO FEED US. And I as a PROUD AMERICAN TIP MY HAT OFF TO THEM AND THANK THEM. NOW TO ALL THAT YOU SAID ABOVE, I'M AWARE OF THAT AND UNTILL MY DAD DIED I THANKED HIM EVERY DAY FOR COMING TO AMERICA FOR MY SISTERS AND I TO BE BORN HERE AND I ALSO THANKED GOD BECAUSE IF IT WASN'T FOR HIM YOU AND I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HERE EITHER!!!!!!!!!!!!
Connie, you don’t seem to realize that it is a violation of the law to cross the border without legal right to do so. ANY person from ANY country that enters the United States illegally has broken the law.

I owe no thanks to anyone that breaks the law and violates my country.

If anyone that entered the United States illegally stays here, they are intentionally breaking the law every day they are here. If they accept ANY employment it is in violation of the law! If they APPLY FOR AND TAKE medical care through Medicaid, that is against the law. If they send their children to school, that is against the law. If they APPLY for any Social Security benefits, that is against the law. All of these are privileges and services that are paid for by American Taxpayers for American Taxpayers.

People that come here illegally are not entitled to break the law just because they want a better place to live. These people are not entitled to privileges and services that are paid for by American Taxpayers. Many DO get jobs, many DO get privileges and services that they are essentially stealing from American Taxpayers.

We, the American Taxpayers, have a right to expect that the privileges and services that we work for and pay for should be exclusively for the benefit of the American Citizen.

I understand that your father wanted a better place to live. There are millions all over the world that want a better place to live. We cannot support them all. We cannot let them all come here. We cannot provide for all of the children that need an education, medical care, a good job, and a nice place to live. The American Taxpayer is very generous and very giving, but we do not have the capacity to take care of everyone in the world.

Americans can and do assist other governments in other countries to educate their populations, develop their work force, develop trade, infrastructure, business communities, and better living conditions. It is the responsibility of the people of other countries to fight and work for those things that they want for a better life.

If your father had wanted a better life for himself and his family, he should have stayed in his own country and fought for a better political power, fought for a better government, fought for a better standard of living, and fought for better civil rights and an better education for his children. Instead he chose to come here, break the law and TAKE what he wanted from someone else. Staying in Mexico and working for a better life would have been far more honorable than coming here and ILLEGALLY TAKING what he wanted and was not willing to fight for in his own country.

We realize that we are the only country in the world that people are fighting to get in, and not fighting to get out. It took many years, wars, bloodshed, and a belief in freedom for all. We have worked hard for our country and continue to work to make sure that our freedoms are protected.

Yes, I resent people that come here illegally and TAKE from our citizens. If you want what we have fought for, stand up, straighten your backbone, behave like a patriot and take control of your own country. If you have what it takes, you can build your own freedoms, your own independence, and your own country.

But why then does everyone point the finger to the Mexicans crossing the border. there are alot of illegals from all over the world that are crossing but all you here is the Mexicans crossing. Whats up with that? DONT BOTHER ANSWERING YOU SEEM TO GET ALL PARANOID.

As I said in my comments of 7/21, "I certainly understand your point about illegal aliens that are other than Mexican. In Los Angeles, 1 of every 5 Koreans is here illegally. Large numbers of other nationalities come here on visitor visas and never leave. Many come to the United States as tourists and never leave. California has a large illegal population of many nationalities and they cover ALL countries, ALL religions, and most have paid large sums of money to get here. They all came here for a better life. There are thousands from every country in the world that have waited for years to come here legally. Why should we show preferential treatment to those that have broken the law and shoved their way in and have stayed."

Everyone "points fingers" at the Mexicans crossing the border into this country illegally because they are the vast majority of illegals currently present in the United States. They constitute the largest numbers of illegal aliens, send the most of their dollars back to Mexico and utilize the majority of privileges and services paid for by American Taxpayers. These services cost the American Taxpayer billions of dollars every year.

In case you did not see this,from the Los Angeles Times:
1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L.A.County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L.A.County).
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare.
Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.
The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average АDULT Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE.

This is not paranoia, this is fact. I am not interested in paying for soemone else's "better life", I am interested in paying for my own better life and that of MY family. If you want more, then work for your own, don't expect me or other American Taxpayers to give up what they have worked for so you can TAKE what you want.

connie
Marlin, Texas
2006-08-11 13:52:13



On 2006-08-10 15:56:18, Jeanne Morgan said:



On 2006-08-10 12:38:02, Connie said:



On 2006-08-09 18:43:02, Jeanne Morgan said:



On 2006-08-08 12:42:59, CONNIE said:

iam proud that i was born here in America. What i was trying to point out, which apparently you didn't get, is why everyone points the finger to all the illegal aliens that cross the border to look for a better place to live. I mean really they are the ones that , like i said before, work out in the hot sun building houses where you and i live, they build buildings, they're out picking vegetables and fruits, by hand mind you,. why not look at the good things they do instead of critisizing them. They're not taking away our jobs they're helping us. MEXICANS do what the AMERICANS like you and i DO NOT! BREAK THEIR BACKS, LITERALLY TO FEED US. And I as a PROUD AMERICAN TIP MY HAT OFF TO THEM AND THANK THEM. NOW TO ALL THAT YOU SAID ABOVE, I'M AWARE OF THAT AND UNTILL MY DAD DIED I THANKED HIM EVERY DAY FOR COMING TO AMERICA FOR MY SISTERS AND I TO BE BORN HERE AND I ALSO THANKED GOD BECAUSE IF IT WASN'T FOR HIM YOU AND I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HERE EITHER!!!!!!!!!!!!
Connie, you don’t seem to realize that it is a violation of the law to cross the border without legal right to do so. ANY person from ANY country that enters the United States illegally has broken the law.

I owe no thanks to anyone that breaks the law and violates my country.

If anyone that entered the United States illegally stays here, they are intentionally breaking the law every day they are here. If they accept ANY employment it is in violation of the law! If they APPLY FOR AND TAKE medical care through Medicaid, that is against the law. If they send their children to school, that is against the law. If they APPLY for any Social Security benefits, that is against the law. All of these are privileges and services that are paid for by American Taxpayers for American Taxpayers.

People that come here illegally are not entitled to break the law just because they want a better place to live. These people are not entitled to privileges and services that are paid for by American Taxpayers. Many DO get jobs, many DO get privileges and services that they are essentially stealing from American Taxpayers.

We, the American Taxpayers, have a right to expect that the privileges and services that we work for and pay for should be exclusively for the benefit of the American Citizen.

I understand that your father wanted a better place to live. There are millions all over the world that want a better place to live. We cannot support them all. We cannot let them all come here. We cannot provide for all of the children that need an education, medical care, a good job, and a nice place to live. The American Taxpayer is very generous and very giving, but we do not have the capacity to take care of everyone in the world.

Americans can and do assist other governments in other countries to educate their populations, develop their work force, develop trade, infrastructure, business communities, and better living conditions. It is the responsibility of the people of other countries to fight and work for those things that they want for a better life.

If your father had wanted a better life for himself and his family, he should have stayed in his own country and fought for a better political power, fought for a better government, fought for a better standard of living, and fought for better civil rights and an better education for his children. Instead he chose to come here, break the law and TAKE what he wanted from someone else. Staying in Mexico and working for a better life would have been far more honorable than coming here and ILLEGALLY TAKING what he wanted and was not willing to fight for in his own country.

We realize that we are the only country in the world that people are fighting to get in, and not fighting to get out. It took many years, wars, bloodshed, and a belief in freedom for all. We have worked hard for our country and continue to work to make sure that our freedoms are protected.

Yes, I resent people that come here illegally and TAKE from our citizens. If you want what we have fought for, stand up, straighten your backbone, behave like a patriot and take control of your own country. If you have what it takes, you can build your own freedoms, your own independence, and your own country.

But why then does everyone point the finger to the Mexicans crossing the border. there are alot of illegals from all over the world that are crossing but all you here is the Mexicans crossing. Whats up with that? DONT BOTHER ANSWERING YOU SEEM TO GET ALL PARANOID.

As I said in my comments of 7/21, "I certainly understand your point about illegal aliens that are other than Mexican. In Los Angeles, 1 of every 5 Koreans is here illegally. Large numbers of other nationalities come here on visitor visas and never leave. Many come to the United States as tourists and never leave. California has a large illegal population of many nationalities and they cover ALL countries, ALL religions, and most have paid large sums of money to get here. They all came here for a better life. There are thousands from every country in the world that have waited for years to come here legally. Why should we show preferential treatment to those that have broken the law and shoved their way in and have stayed."

Everyone "points fingers" at the Mexicans crossing the border into this country illegally because they are the vast majority of illegals currently present in the United States. They constitute the largest numbers of illegal aliens, send the most of their dollars back to Mexico and utilize the majority of privileges and services paid for by American Taxpayers. These services cost the American Taxpayer billions of dollars every year.

In case you did not see this,from the Los Angeles Times:
1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L.A.County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L.A.County).
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare.
Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.
The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average АDULT Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE.

This is not paranoia, this is fact. I am not interested in paying for soemone else's "better life", I am interested in paying for my own better life and that of MY family. If you want more, then work for your own, don't expect me or other American Taxpayers to give up what they have worked for so you can TAKE what you want.

for your information I was born here in the United States and my husband and i are taxpayers just like you.Therefor I AM NOT TAKING WHAT I WANT FROM YOU. I AM A TEXAN LIVING AND WORKING IN THE USA AND PROUD OF IT. SO BOO-YA!!!!

Jeanne Morgan, Hesperia, CA
Avon Park, Florida
2006-08-13 17:42:40



On 2006-08-11 13:52:13, connie said:



On 2006-08-10 15:56:18, Jeanne Morgan said:



On 2006-08-10 12:38:02, Connie said:



On 2006-08-09 18:43:02, Jeanne Morgan said:



On 2006-08-08 12:42:59, CONNIE said:

iam proud that i was born here in America. What i was trying to point out, which apparently you didn't get, is why everyone points the finger to all the illegal aliens that cross the border to look for a better place to live. I mean really they are the ones that , like i said before, work out in the hot sun building houses where you and i live, they build buildings, they're out picking vegetables and fruits, by hand mind you,. why not look at the good things they do instead of critisizing them. They're not taking away our jobs they're helping us. MEXICANS do what the AMERICANS like you and i DO NOT! BREAK THEIR BACKS, LITERALLY TO FEED US. And I as a PROUD AMERICAN TIP MY HAT OFF TO THEM AND THANK THEM. NOW TO ALL THAT YOU SAID ABOVE, I'M AWARE OF THAT AND UNTILL MY DAD DIED I THANKED HIM EVERY DAY FOR COMING TO AMERICA FOR MY SISTERS AND I TO BE BORN HERE AND I ALSO THANKED GOD BECAUSE IF IT WASN'T FOR HIM YOU AND I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HERE EITHER!!!!!!!!!!!!
Connie, you don’t seem to realize that it is a violation of the law to cross the border without legal right to do so. ANY person from ANY country that enters the United States illegally has broken the law.

I owe no thanks to anyone that breaks the law and violates my country.

If anyone that entered the United States illegally stays here, they are intentionally breaking the law every day they are here. If they accept ANY employment it is in violation of the law! If they APPLY FOR AND TAKE medical care through Medicaid, that is against the law. If they send their children to school, that is against the law. If they APPLY for any Social Security benefits, that is against the law. All of these are privileges and services that are paid for by American Taxpayers for American Taxpayers.

People that come here illegally are not entitled to break the law just because they want a better place to live. These people are not entitled to privileges and services that are paid for by American Taxpayers. Many DO get jobs, many DO get privileges and services that they are essentially stealing from American Taxpayers.

We, the American Taxpayers, have a right to expect that the privileges and services that we work for and pay for should be exclusively for the benefit of the American Citizen.

I understand that your father wanted a better place to live. There are millions all over the world that want a better place to live. We cannot support them all. We cannot let them all come here. We cannot provide for all of the children that need an education, medical care, a good job, and a nice place to live. The American Taxpayer is very generous and very giving, but we do not have the capacity to take care of everyone in the world.

Americans can and do assist other governments in other countries to educate their populations, develop their work force, develop trade, infrastructure, business communities, and better living conditions. It is the responsibility of the people of other countries to fight and work for those things that they want for a better life.

If your father had wanted a better life for himself and his family, he should have stayed in his own country and fought for a better political power, fought for a better government, fought for a better standard of living, and fought for better civil rights and an better education for his children. Instead he chose to come here, break the law and TAKE what he wanted from someone else. Staying in Mexico and working for a better life would have been far more honorable than coming here and ILLEGALLY TAKING what he wanted and was not willing to fight for in his own country.

We realize that we are the only country in the world that people are fighting to get in, and not fighting to get out. It took many years, wars, bloodshed, and a belief in freedom for all. We have worked hard for our country and continue to work to make sure that our freedoms are protected.

Yes, I resent people that come here illegally and TAKE from our citizens. If you want what we have fought for, stand up, straighten your backbone, behave like a patriot and take control of your own country. If you have what it takes, you can build your own freedoms, your own independence, and your own country.

But why then does everyone point the finger to the Mexicans crossing the border. there are alot of illegals from all over the world that are crossing but all you here is the Mexicans crossing. Whats up with that? DONT BOTHER ANSWERING YOU SEEM TO GET ALL PARANOID.

As I said in my comments of 7/21, "I certainly understand your point about illegal aliens that are other than Mexican. In Los Angeles, 1 of every 5 Koreans is here illegally. Large numbers of other nationalities come here on visitor visas and never leave. Many come to the United States as tourists and never leave. California has a large illegal population of many nationalities and they cover ALL countries, ALL religions, and most have paid large sums of money to get here. They all came here for a better life. There are thousands from every country in the world that have waited for years to come here legally. Why should we show preferential treatment to those that have broken the law and shoved their way in and have stayed."

Everyone "points fingers" at the Mexicans crossing the border into this country illegally because they are the vast majority of illegals currently present in the United States. They constitute the largest numbers of illegal aliens, send the most of their dollars back to Mexico and utilize the majority of privileges and services paid for by American Taxpayers. These services cost the American Taxpayer billions of dollars every year.

In case you did not see this,from the Los Angeles Times:
1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L.A.County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L.A.County).
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare.
Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.
The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average АDULT Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE.

This is not paranoia, this is fact. I am not interested in paying for soemone else's "better life", I am interested in paying for my own better life and that of MY family. If you want more, then work for your own, don't expect me or other American Taxpayers to give up what they have worked for so you can TAKE what you want.

for your information I was born here in the United States and my husband and i are taxpayers just like you.Therefor I AM NOT TAKING WHAT I WANT FROM YOU. I AM A TEXAN LIVING AND WORKING IN THE USA AND PROUD OF IT. SO BOO-YA!!!!

Since you and your husband are American Taxpayers, how do you feel about the immigration situation and the situation in El Paso with the Border Patrol agents. Both of these officers and their wives are of Mexican descent and they were trying to protect the border and catch a drug smuggler. I don't know if you have children, but if you do this may impact your kids as well as many others. I am including the article about this in case you did not see it. What is your feedback? What do you feel the solution should be?
Convicted border agent tells his story
By Sara A. Carter, Staff Writer
Inland Valley Daily Bulletin
EL PASO, Texas - Border Patrol Agent Ignacio Ramos could hear his heart racing. He could feel the dry, hot dust burning against his skin as he chased a drug trafficker trying to flee back into Mexico.
Ramos' fellow agent, Jose Alonso Compean, was lying on the ground behind him, banged up and bloody from a scuffle with the much-bigger smuggler moments earlier.

Suddenly the smuggler turned toward the pursuing Ramos, gun in hand. Ramos, his own weapon already drawn, shot at him, though the man was able to flee into the brush and escape the agents.

Now, nearly 18 months after that violent encounter, Ramos and Compean are facing 20 years in federal prison for their actions. Why? According to the U.S. attorney who successfully prosecuted the agents, the man they were chasing didn't actually have a gun, shooting him in the back violated his civil rights, the agents didn't know for a fact that he was a drug smuggler, and they broke Border Patrol rules about discharging their weapons and preserving a crime scene.

Even more broadly, Assistant U.S. Attorney Debra Kanof said, Ramos and Compean had no business chasing someone in the first place. "It is a violation of Border Patrol regulations to go after someone who is fleeing," she said. "The Border Patrol pursuit policy prohibits the pursuit of someone."

Her arguments, along with testimony from other agents on the scene and that of the smuggler himself, swayed a jury. It was a crushing blow to Compean and Ramos, both of whom had pursued suspects along the border as a regular part of their job.

It also appears to fly in the face of the Border Patrol's own edicts, which include "detouring illegal entries through improved enforcement" and "apprehending and detouring smugglers of humans, drugs and other contraband."

The smuggler was given full immunity to testify against the agents and complete medical care at William Beaumont Army Medical Center, in El Paso. Neither Ramos nor Compean had granted an interview in the almost 18 months since the shooting. Compean's attorneys have told him to not speak to anyone about the case.

But Ramos and his family say they no longer can be silent. "They don't throw this many charges at guys they've caught with over 2,000 pounds of marijuana," Ramos said. "There's murderers and child rapists that are looking at less time than me. "I am not guilty. I did not do what they're accusing me of."

SPEAKING OUT
Ramos, 37, and Compean, 28, are set to be sentenced Aug. 22 for shooting Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila, a Mexican citizen, on Feb. 17, 2005, in the small Texas town of Fabens, about 40 miles south east of El Paso.

A Texas jury convicted the pair of assault with serious bodily injury; assault with a deadly weapon; discharge of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence; and a civil rights violation. Compean and Ramos also were convicted of four counts and two counts, respectively, of obstruction of justice for not reporting that their weapons had been fired. The jury acquitted both men of assault with intent to commit murder.

But the conviction for discharge of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence requires a minimum 10-year prison sentence. The sentences for the other convictions vary. On July 25, the El Paso U.S. Probation Office recommended to Judge Kathleen Cardone that each man get 20 years.

Ramos, an eight-year veteran of the U.S. Naval Reserve and a former nominee for Border Patrol Agent of the Year, now has but one thing on his mind: What will happen to his wife and three young sons if he spends the next two decades in prison?

"It's (with) a leap of faith and my devotion to God that me and my family will make it through this," Ramos said as he looked at his wife, Monica, during an exclusive interview with the Daily Bulletin this past month in El Paso.

Two things were clear throughout the interview: Ramos is convinced he was simply doing his job when Aldrete-Davila was shot, and he is perplexed as to why he and his partner are being punished so severely.

IGNACIO'S STORY
Here's Ramos' version of what happened that day: On Feb. 17, 2005, Compean was monitoring the south side of a levee road near the Rio Grande on the U.S.-Mexico border in Fabens when he spotted a suspicious van driving down the north end of the road. He called for backup.

Ramos headed to Fabens, where he thought he could intercept the van at one of only two roads leading in and out of the small town.
Another agent was already following the van -- with Aldrete-Davila at the wheel -- when Ramos arrived. Ramos and the other agent followed the van through the center of town until it turned back toward the Rio Grande, which marks the border between Mexico and the United States. Aldrete-Davila, unable to outrun the agents, stopped his van on a levee, got out and started running. Compean was waiting for him on the other side of the levee.

"We both yelled out for him to stop, but he wouldn't stop, and he just kept running," Ramos said. Aldrete-Davila made his way through a canal, and Ramos could hear Compean yelling for Aldrete-Davila to stop, he said. "At some point during the time where I'm crossing the canal, I hear shots being fired," Ramos said. "Later, I see Compean on the ground, but I keep running after the smuggler."

Through the thick dust, Ramos watched as Aldrete-Davila turned toward him, pointing what appeared to be a gun. "I shot," he said. "But I didn't think he was hit, because he kept running into the brush and then disappeared into it. Later, we all watched as he jumped into a van waiting for him. He seemed fine. It didn't look like he had been hit at all."

Seven other agents were on the scene by that time. Compean had already picked up his shell casings. Ramos did not, though he failed to report the shooting. "The supervisors knew that shots were fired," Ramos said. "Since nobody was injured or hurt, we didn't file the report. That's the only thing I would've done different."

The van later was found to have about 800 pounds of marijuana inside.

A DIFFERENT TAKE
The version of events presented by the U.S. Attorney's Office during the agents' trial differed markedly from Ramos'. "The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled it is a violation of someone's Fourth Amendment rights to shoot them in the back while fleeing if you don't know who they are and/or if you don't know they have a weapon," said Kanof, the assistant U.S. attorney.

Ramos testified during the trial that he saw Aldrete-Davila with something "shiny" in his hand, she said, and though Ramos told the Daily Bulletin he thought it was a gun, he couldn't be sure, she said. Moreover, the agents "did not know who this individual was or what he had in the van," Kanof said. "They just decided or guessed."

She then reiterated her contention that pursuing Aldrete-Davila or anyone else fleeing border agents is not part of the Border Patrol's job. "Agents are not allowed to pursue. In order to exceed the speed limit, you have to get supervisor approval, and they did not," she said.

The prosecutor also said the men destroyed the crime scene when Compean picked up his shell casings and attempted to cover up their actions by not reporting they'd fired their weapons.

PUZZLING ARGUMENT
Ramos said his pursuit of Aldrete-Davila was nothing different from what he's done in the past 10 years as a Border Patrol agent. "How are we supposed to follow the Border Patrol strategy of apprehending terrorists or drug smugglers if we are not supposed to pursue fleeing people?" he continued. "Everybody who's breaking the law flees from us. What are we supposed to do? Do they want us to catch them or not?"

Ramos also said that both supervisors who were at the scene knew shots had been fired but did not file reports. "You need to tell a supervisor because you can't assume that a supervisor knows about it," Kanof countered. "You have to report any discharge of a firearm."

Mary Stillinger, Ramos' attorney, and Maria Ramirez, Compean's attorney, said during the trial that every other Border Patrol agent at the scene also failed to report shots had been fired. "Every single witness has a reason to lie," Ramirez said, referring to the immunity granted to Aldrete-Davila and the other agents in exchange for testifying against Ramos and Compean.

According to the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Table of Offenses and Penalties, failure to report that a weapon has been fired in the line of duty is punishable by a five-day suspension.

Ramos also is puzzled as to why, more than two weeks after the shooting, a Department of Homeland Security investigator -- acting on a tip from a Border Patrol agent in Arizona -- tracked down Aldrete-Davila in Mexico, offering him immunity if he testified against the agents who shot at him.

Why the agent tipped Homeland Security to the smuggler's whereabouts is partly explained in a confidential Homeland Security memo obtained by the Daily Bulletin. Why the department and the U.S. Attorney's Office in El Paso pursued the matter so aggressively is less clear.

"Osbaldo (Aldrete-Davila) had told (Border Patrol agent) Rene Sanchez that his friends had told him they should put together a hunting party and go shoot some BP agents in revenge for them shooting Osbaldo," reads a memo written by Christopher Sanchez, an investigator with the department's Office of Inspector General. "Osbaldo advised Rene Sanchez that he told his friends he was not interested in going after the BP agents and getting in more trouble."

Neither Rene Sanchez nor Christopher Sanchez could be reached for comment. Mike Friels, a spokesman for the U.S. Customs and Border Protection branch of the Department of Homeland Security, said he could not comment on the case, citing pending litigation.

BEHIND THE SCENES
In the same Homeland Security memo, Christopher Sanchez outlines how the investigation into Ramos and Compean was initiated. On March 10, 2005, Christopher Sanchez received a telephone call from Border Patrol agent Rene Sanchez of Wilcox, Ariz., who told the agent about Aldrete-Davila's encounter with Ramos and Compean.

According to the document, Rene Sanchez stated "that Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila's mother, Marcadia Aldrete-Davila, contacted Rene Sanchez's mother-in-law, Gregoria Toquinto, and advised her about the BP agents shooting Aldrete-Davila. Toquinto told her son-in-law, Rene Sanchez, of the incident, and he spoke to Osbaldo via a telephone call."

During the trial, the connection between Rene Sanchez and Aldrete-Davila confused the Ramos family, and "we questioned how an agent from Arizona would know or want to defend a drug smuggler from Mexico," said Monica Ramos.

Kanof bristled when asked about the Rene Sanchez/Aldrete-Davila connection. "It's an unconscionable accusation that Sanchez is associated with a drug dealer," she said. "Most BP agents who are Hispanic have family from Mexico. He was born in the U.S. and raised in Mexico and came back to do high school and later became an agent." The Ramoses also contend Aldrete-Davila's story changed several times.

According to the memo, Aldrete-Davila told investigators the agents shot him in the buttocks when he was trying to enter the country illegally from Mexico. But according to Aldrete-Davila's later testimony and that of the agents, he was shot after trying to evade the agents upon his re-entry into Mexico.

The memo never was disclosed to the jury. Aldrete-Davila is suing the Border Patrol for $5 million for violating his civil rights.

MISSING HISTORY
As a Border Patrol agent, Ramos has been involved in the capture of nearly 100 drug smugglers and the seizure of untold thousands of pounds of narcotics. He also was nominated for Border Patrol Agent of the Year in March 2005, though the nomination was withdrawn after details of the Aldrete-Davila incident came out.

Ramos also had drug interdiction training from the Drug Enforcement Agency and qualified as a Task Force Officer with the Border Patrol. But Ramos' training in narcotics -- as well as the numerous credentials he had received for taking Border Patrol field training classes -- was not admissible during the trial, he said.

"My husband is a good man, a loving father, and his devotion to his country and his job is undeniable," Monica Ramos said. "Prosecutors treated the drug smuggler like an innocent victim, refusing to allow testimony that would have helped my husband. The smuggler was given immunity. My husband is facing a life in prison. "It's so frightening, it doesn't seem real."

The El Paso Sheriff's Department has met with the Ramos family to discuss continued threats against them from people they believe to be associated with Aldrete-Davila. The sheriff's department also has increased patrols around the family's home.

The only other organization that has responded to the Ramoses thus far, Monica Ramos said, is the Chino-based nonprofit group Friends of the Border Patrol, chaired by Andy Ramirez.

"This is the greatest miscarriage of justice I have ever seen," Ramirez said. "This drug smuggler has fully contributed to the destruction of two brave agents and their families and has sent a very loud message to the other Border Patrol agents: If you confront a smuggler, this is what will happen to you."

TJ Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council, the union representing border agents, said the Border Patrol's official pursuit policy handcuffs agents in the field. He also sees the prosecution of Ramos and Compean as part of a larger effort by the federal government.

"The pursuit policy has negatively affected the Border Patrol's mission as well as public safety. Part of that mission is stop terrorists and drug smugglers," Bonner said. "They could be smuggling Osama bin Laden, drugs, illegal aliens, or it could have been just some drunk teenager out on a joyride. You don't know until you stop them."

"The administration is trying to intimidate front-line agents from doing their job," he added. "If they can't do it administratively, they'll do it with trumped-up criminal charges.

"Moreover, the specter of improprieties in the prosecution of this case raises serious concerns that demand an immediate, thorough and impartial investigation."

COUNTING THE DAYS
About a week ago, feeling little hope, Joe Loya, Monica Ramos' father, took the family on what will be Ignacio Ramos' last fishing trip with his sons before he is sentenced. "What kind of justice is this?" Loya asked. "What kind of nation do we live in when the word of a smuggler means more than the word of a just man?"

Monica Ramos says her hardest day is yet to come -- the day the authorities take her husband away. "We just guard (our children's) hearts right now," Monica Ramos said. "I think about the last time he'll hug them as children, and maybe not get the chance to hug them again until they are grown men." The sons are between 6 and 13 years old.

Ignacio Ramos was, if anything, even more emotional. "Less than a month left with my family," he said, his voice choking, as though the air had been pulled from his lungs. "My sons," he whispered. Then silence. It took several minutes for Ramos to summon more words. "All I think about at night is the day I have to leave my family. I can't sleep. I've always been with them."

Then he talked about the memories he would never have, "their first dates, high school graduation, sports," and the tears falling from his eyes were mirrored only by those of his wife, who took his hand into hers.

Thomas Elpin
Avon Park, Florida
2006-08-14 09:35:45

Does anyone read all this tripe?? Seriously, your arguments are all copied and pasted, do you have any thoughts of your own? Do you really expect anyone to read these novels of **** that are irrelevant??

connie
Marlin, Texas
2006-08-14 10:15:03



On 2006-08-14 09:35:45, Thomas Elpin said:

Does anyone read all this tripe?? Seriously, your arguments are all copied and pasted, do you have any thoughts of your own? Do you really expect anyone to read these novels of **** that are irrelevant??
you are so right. i only commented on the subject and she wrote me back this entire book. as if i have all the time in the world to read it.

connie
Marlin, Texas
2006-08-14 10:22:54



On 2006-08-13 17:42:40, Jeanne Morgan, Hesperia, CA said:



On 2006-08-11 13:52:13, connie said:



On 2006-08-10 15:56:18, Jeanne Morgan said:



On 2006-08-10 12:38:02, Connie said:



On 2006-08-09 18:43:02, Jeanne Morgan said:



On 2006-08-08 12:42:59, CONNIE said:

iam proud that i was born here in America. What i was trying to point out, which apparently you didn't get, is why everyone points the finger to all the illegal aliens that cross the border to look for a better place to live. I mean really they are the ones that , like i said before, work out in the hot sun building houses where you and i live, they build buildings, they're out picking vegetables and fruits, by hand mind you,. why not look at the good things they do instead of critisizing them. They're not taking away our jobs they're helping us. MEXICANS do what the AMERICANS like you and i DO NOT! BREAK THEIR BACKS, LITERALLY TO FEED US. And I as a PROUD AMERICAN TIP MY HAT OFF TO THEM AND THANK THEM. NOW TO ALL THAT YOU SAID ABOVE, I'M AWARE OF THAT AND UNTILL MY DAD DIED I THANKED HIM EVERY DAY FOR COMING TO AMERICA FOR MY SISTERS AND I TO BE BORN HERE AND I ALSO THANKED GOD BECAUSE IF IT WASN'T FOR HIM YOU AND I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HERE EITHER!!!!!!!!!!!!
Connie, you don’t seem to realize that it is a violation of the law to cross the border without legal right to do so. ANY person from ANY country that enters the United States illegally has broken the law.

I owe no thanks to anyone that breaks the law and violates my country.

If anyone that entered the United States illegally stays here, they are intentionally breaking the law every day they are here. If they accept ANY employment it is in violation of the law! If they APPLY FOR AND TAKE medical care through Medicaid, that is against the law. If they send their children to school, that is against the law. If they APPLY for any Social Security benefits, that is against the law. All of these are privileges and services that are paid for by American Taxpayers for American Taxpayers.

People that come here illegally are not entitled to break the law just because they want a better place to live. These people are not entitled to privileges and services that are paid for by American Taxpayers. Many DO get jobs, many DO get privileges and services that they are essentially stealing from American Taxpayers.

We, the American Taxpayers, have a right to expect that the privileges and services that we work for and pay for should be exclusively for the benefit of the American Citizen.

I understand that your father wanted a better place to live. There are millions all over the world that want a better place to live. We cannot support them all. We cannot let them all come here. We cannot provide for all of the children that need an education, medical care, a good job, and a nice place to live. The American Taxpayer is very generous and very giving, but we do not have the capacity to take care of everyone in the world.

Americans can and do assist other governments in other countries to educate their populations, develop their work force, develop trade, infrastructure, business communities, and better living conditions. It is the responsibility of the people of other countries to fight and work for those things that they want for a better life.

If your father had wanted a better life for himself and his family, he should have stayed in his own country and fought for a better political power, fought for a better government, fought for a better standard of living, and fought for better civil rights and an better education for his children. Instead he chose to come here, break the law and TAKE what he wanted from someone else. Staying in Mexico and working for a better life would have been far more honorable than coming here and ILLEGALLY TAKING what he wanted and was not willing to fight for in his own country.

We realize that we are the only country in the world that people are fighting to get in, and not fighting to get out. It took many years, wars, bloodshed, and a belief in freedom for all. We have worked hard for our country and continue to work to make sure that our freedoms are protected.

Yes, I resent people that come here illegally and TAKE from our citizens. If you want what we have fought for, stand up, straighten your backbone, behave like a patriot and take control of your own country. If you have what it takes, you can build your own freedoms, your own independence, and your own country.

But why then does everyone point the finger to the Mexicans crossing the border. there are alot of illegals from all over the world that are crossing but all you here is the Mexicans crossing. Whats up with that? DONT BOTHER ANSWERING YOU SEEM TO GET ALL PARANOID.

As I said in my comments of 7/21, "I certainly understand your point about illegal aliens that are other than Mexican. In Los Angeles, 1 of every 5 Koreans is here illegally. Large numbers of other nationalities come here on visitor visas and never leave. Many come to the United States as tourists and never leave. California has a large illegal population of many nationalities and they cover ALL countries, ALL religions, and most have paid large sums of money to get here. They all came here for a better life. There are thousands from every country in the world that have waited for years to come here legally. Why should we show preferential treatment to those that have broken the law and shoved their way in and have stayed."

Everyone "points fingers" at the Mexicans crossing the border into this country illegally because they are the vast majority of illegals currently present in the United States. They constitute the largest numbers of illegal aliens, send the most of their dollars back to Mexico and utilize the majority of privileges and services paid for by American Taxpayers. These services cost the American Taxpayer billions of dollars every year.

In case you did not see this,from the Los Angeles Times:
1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L.A.County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L.A.County).
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare.
Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.
The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average АDULT Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE.

This is not paranoia, this is fact. I am not interested in paying for soemone else's "better life", I am interested in paying for my own better life and that of MY family. If you want more, then work for your own, don't expect me or other American Taxpayers to give up what they have worked for so you can TAKE what you want.

for your information I was born here in the United States and my husband and i are taxpayers just like you.Therefor I AM NOT TAKING WHAT I WANT FROM YOU. I AM A TEXAN LIVING AND WORKING IN THE USA AND PROUD OF IT. SO BOO-YA!!!!

Since you and your husband are American Taxpayers, how do you feel about the immigration situation and the situation in El Paso with the Border Patrol agents. Both of these officers and their wives are of Mexican descent and they were trying to protect the border and catch a drug smuggler. I don't know if you have children, but if you do this may impact your kids as well as many others. I am including the article about this in case you did not see it. What is your feedback? What do you feel the solution should be?
Convicted border agent tells his story
By Sara A. Carter, Staff Writer
Inland Valley Daily Bulletin
EL PASO, Texas - Border Patrol Agent Ignacio Ramos could hear his heart racing. He could feel the dry, hot dust burning against his skin as he chased a drug trafficker trying to flee back into Mexico.
Ramos' fellow agent, Jose Alonso Compean, was lying on the ground behind him, banged up and bloody from a scuffle with the much-bigger smuggler moments earlier.

Suddenly the smuggler turned toward the pursuing Ramos, gun in hand. Ramos, his own weapon already drawn, shot at him, though the man was able to flee into the brush and escape the agents.

Now, nearly 18 months after that violent encounter, Ramos and Compean are facing 20 years in federal prison for their actions. Why? According to the U.S. attorney who successfully prosecuted the agents, the man they were chasing didn't actually have a gun, shooting him in the back violated his civil rights, the agents didn't know for a fact that he was a drug smuggler, and they broke Border Patrol rules about discharging their weapons and preserving a crime scene.

Even more broadly, Assistant U.S. Attorney Debra Kanof said, Ramos and Compean had no business chasing someone in the first place. "It is a violation of Border Patrol regulations to go after someone who is fleeing," she said. "The Border Patrol pursuit policy prohibits the pursuit of someone."

Her arguments, along with testimony from other agents on the scene and that of the smuggler himself, swayed a jury. It was a crushing blow to Compean and Ramos, both of whom had pursued suspects along the border as a regular part of their job.

It also appears to fly in the face of the Border Patrol's own edicts, which include "detouring illegal entries through improved enforcement" and "apprehending and detouring smugglers of humans, drugs and other contraband."

The smuggler was given full immunity to testify against the agents and complete medical care at William Beaumont Army Medical Center, in El Paso. Neither Ramos nor Compean had granted an interview in the almost 18 months since the shooting. Compean's attorneys have told him to not speak to anyone about the case.

But Ramos and his family say they no longer can be silent. "They don't throw this many charges at guys they've caught with over 2,000 pounds of marijuana," Ramos said. "There's murderers and child rapists that are looking at less time than me. "I am not guilty. I did not do what they're accusing me of."

SPEAKING OUT
Ramos, 37, and Compean, 28, are set to be sentenced Aug. 22 for shooting Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila, a Mexican citizen, on Feb. 17, 2005, in the small Texas town of Fabens, about 40 miles south east of El Paso.

A Texas jury convicted the pair of assault with serious bodily injury; assault with a deadly weapon; discharge of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence; and a civil rights violation. Compean and Ramos also were convicted of four counts and two counts, respectively, of obstruction of justice for not reporting that their weapons had been fired. The jury acquitted both men of assault with intent to commit murder.

But the conviction for discharge of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence requires a minimum 10-year prison sentence. The sentences for the other convictions vary. On July 25, the El Paso U.S. Probation Office recommended to Judge Kathleen Cardone that each man get 20 years.

Ramos, an eight-year veteran of the U.S. Naval Reserve and a former nominee for Border Patrol Agent of the Year, now has but one thing on his mind: What will happen to his wife and three young sons if he spends the next two decades in prison?

"It's (with) a leap of faith and my devotion to God that me and my family will make it through this," Ramos said as he looked at his wife, Monica, during an exclusive interview with the Daily Bulletin this past month in El Paso.

Two things were clear throughout the interview: Ramos is convinced he was simply doing his job when Aldrete-Davila was shot, and he is perplexed as to why he and his partner are being punished so severely.

IGNACIO'S STORY
Here's Ramos' version of what happened that day: On Feb. 17, 2005, Compean was monitoring the south side of a levee road near the Rio Grande on the U.S.-Mexico border in Fabens when he spotted a suspicious van driving down the north end of the road. He called for backup.

Ramos headed to Fabens, where he thought he could intercept the van at one of only two roads leading in and out of the small town.
Another agent was already following the van -- with Aldrete-Davila at the wheel -- when Ramos arrived. Ramos and the other agent followed the van through the center of town until it turned back toward the Rio Grande, which marks the border between Mexico and the United States. Aldrete-Davila, unable to outrun the agents, stopped his van on a levee, got out and started running. Compean was waiting for him on the other side of the levee.

"We both yelled out for him to stop, but he wouldn't stop, and he just kept running," Ramos said. Aldrete-Davila made his way through a canal, and Ramos could hear Compean yelling for Aldrete-Davila to stop, he said. "At some point during the time where I'm crossing the canal, I hear shots being fired," Ramos said. "Later, I see Compean on the ground, but I keep running after the smuggler."

Through the thick dust, Ramos watched as Aldrete-Davila turned toward him, pointing what appeared to be a gun. "I shot," he said. "But I didn't think he was hit, because he kept running into the brush and then disappeared into it. Later, we all watched as he jumped into a van waiting for him. He seemed fine. It didn't look like he had been hit at all."

Seven other agents were on the scene by that time. Compean had already picked up his shell casings. Ramos did not, though he failed to report the shooting. "The supervisors knew that shots were fired," Ramos said. "Since nobody was injured or hurt, we didn't file the report. That's the only thing I would've done different."

The van later was found to have about 800 pounds of marijuana inside.

A DIFFERENT TAKE
The version of events presented by the U.S. Attorney's Office during the agents' trial differed markedly from Ramos'. "The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled it is a violation of someone's Fourth Amendment rights to shoot them in the back while fleeing if you don't know who they are and/or if you don't know they have a weapon," said Kanof, the assistant U.S. attorney.

Ramos testified during the trial that he saw Aldrete-Davila with something "shiny" in his hand, she said, and though Ramos told the Daily Bulletin he thought it was a gun, he couldn't be sure, she said. Moreover, the agents "did not know who this individual was or what he had in the van," Kanof said. "They just decided or guessed."

She then reiterated her contention that pursuing Aldrete-Davila or anyone else fleeing border agents is not part of the Border Patrol's job. "Agents are not allowed to pursue. In order to exceed the speed limit, you have to get supervisor approval, and they did not," she said.

The prosecutor also said the men destroyed the crime scene when Compean picked up his shell casings and attempted to cover up their actions by not reporting they'd fired their weapons.

PUZZLING ARGUMENT
Ramos said his pursuit of Aldrete-Davila was nothing different from what he's done in the past 10 years as a Border Patrol agent. "How are we supposed to follow the Border Patrol strategy of apprehending terrorists or drug smugglers if we are not supposed to pursue fleeing people?" he continued. "Everybody who's breaking the law flees from us. What are we supposed to do? Do they want us to catch them or not?"

Ramos also said that both supervisors who were at the scene knew shots had been fired but did not file reports. "You need to tell a supervisor because you can't assume that a supervisor knows about it," Kanof countered. "You have to report any discharge of a firearm."

Mary Stillinger, Ramos' attorney, and Maria Ramirez, Compean's attorney, said during the trial that every other Border Patrol agent at the scene also failed to report shots had been fired. "Every single witness has a reason to lie," Ramirez said, referring to the immunity granted to Aldrete-Davila and the other agents in exchange for testifying against Ramos and Compean.

According to the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Table of Offenses and Penalties, failure to report that a weapon has been fired in the line of duty is punishable by a five-day suspension.

Ramos also is puzzled as to why, more than two weeks after the shooting, a Department of Homeland Security investigator -- acting on a tip from a Border Patrol agent in Arizona -- tracked down Aldrete-Davila in Mexico, offering him immunity if he testified against the agents who shot at him.

Why the agent tipped Homeland Security to the smuggler's whereabouts is partly explained in a confidential Homeland Security memo obtained by the Daily Bulletin. Why the department and the U.S. Attorney's Office in El Paso pursued the matter so aggressively is less clear.

"Osbaldo (Aldrete-Davila) had told (Border Patrol agent) Rene Sanchez that his friends had told him they should put together a hunting party and go shoot some BP agents in revenge for them shooting Osbaldo," reads a memo written by Christopher Sanchez, an investigator with the department's Office of Inspector General. "Osbaldo advised Rene Sanchez that he told his friends he was not interested in going after the BP agents and getting in more trouble."

Neither Rene Sanchez nor Christopher Sanchez could be reached for comment. Mike Friels, a spokesman for the U.S. Customs and Border Protection branch of the Department of Homeland Security, said he could not comment on the case, citing pending litigation.

BEHIND THE SCENES
In the same Homeland Security memo, Christopher Sanchez outlines how the investigation into Ramos and Compean was initiated. On March 10, 2005, Christopher Sanchez received a telephone call from Border Patrol agent Rene Sanchez of Wilcox, Ariz., who told the agent about Aldrete-Davila's encounter with Ramos and Compean.

According to the document, Rene Sanchez stated "that Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila's mother, Marcadia Aldrete-Davila, contacted Rene Sanchez's mother-in-law, Gregoria Toquinto, and advised her about the BP agents shooting Aldrete-Davila. Toquinto told her son-in-law, Rene Sanchez, of the incident, and he spoke to Osbaldo via a telephone call."

During the trial, the connection between Rene Sanchez and Aldrete-Davila confused the Ramos family, and "we questioned how an agent from Arizona would know or want to defend a drug smuggler from Mexico," said Monica Ramos.

Kanof bristled when asked about the Rene Sanchez/Aldrete-Davila connection. "It's an unconscionable accusation that Sanchez is associated with a drug dealer," she said. "Most BP agents who are Hispanic have family from Mexico. He was born in the U.S. and raised in Mexico and came back to do high school and later became an agent." The Ramoses also contend Aldrete-Davila's story changed several times.

According to the memo, Aldrete-Davila told investigators the agents shot him in the buttocks when he was trying to enter the country illegally from Mexico. But according to Aldrete-Davila's later testimony and that of the agents, he was shot after trying to evade the agents upon his re-entry into Mexico.

The memo never was disclosed to the jury. Aldrete-Davila is suing the Border Patrol for million for violating his civil rights.

MISSING HISTORY
As a Border Patrol agent, Ramos has been involved in the capture of nearly 100 drug smugglers and the seizure of untold thousands of pounds of narcotics. He also was nominated for Border Patrol Agent of the Year in March 2005, though the nomination was withdrawn after details of the Aldrete-Davila incident came out.

Ramos also had drug interdiction training from the Drug Enforcement Agency and qualified as a Task Force Officer with the Border Patrol. But Ramos' training in narcotics -- as well as the numerous credentials he had received for taking Border Patrol field training classes -- was not admissible during the trial, he said.

"My husband is a good man, a loving father, and his devotion to his country and his job is undeniable," Monica Ramos said. "Prosecutors treated the drug smuggler like an innocent victim, refusing to allow testimony that would have helped my husband. The smuggler was given immunity. My husband is facing a life in prison. "It's so frightening, it doesn't seem real."

The El Paso Sheriff's Department has met with the Ramos family to discuss continued threats against them from people they believe to be associated with Aldrete-Davila. The sheriff's department also has increased patrols around the family's home.

The only other organization that has responded to the Ramoses thus far, Monica Ramos said, is the Chino-based nonprofit group Friends of the Border Patrol, chaired by Andy Ramirez.

"This is the greatest miscarriage of justice I have ever seen," Ramirez said. "This drug smuggler has fully contributed to the destruction of two brave agents and their families and has sent a very loud message to the other Border Patrol agents: If you confront a smuggler, this is what will happen to you."

TJ Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council, the union representing border agents, said the Border Patrol's official pursuit policy handcuffs agents in the field. He also sees the prosecution of Ramos and Compean as part of a larger effort by the federal government.

"The pursuit policy has negatively affected the Border Patrol's mission as well as public safety. Part of that mission is stop terrorists and drug smugglers," Bonner said. "They could be smuggling Osama bin Laden, drugs, illegal aliens, or it could have been just some drunk teenager out on a joyride. You don't know until you stop them."

"The administration is trying to intimidate front-line agents from doing their job," he added. "If they can't do it administratively, they'll do it with trumped-up criminal charges.

"Moreover, the specter of improprieties in the prosecution of this case raises serious concerns that demand an immediate, thorough and impartial investigation."

COUNTING THE DAYS
About a week ago, feeling little hope, Joe Loya, Monica Ramos' father, took the family on what will be Ignacio Ramos' last fishing trip with his sons before he is sentenced. "What kind of justice is this?" Loya asked. "What kind of nation do we live in when the word of a smuggler means more than the word of a just man?"

Monica Ramos says her hardest day is yet to come -- the day the authorities take her husband away. "We just guard (our children's) hearts right now," Monica Ramos said. "I think about the last time he'll hug them as children, and maybe not get the chance to hug them again until they are grown men." The sons are between 6 and 13 years old.

Ignacio Ramos was, if anything, even more emotional. "Less than a month left with my family," he said, his voice choking, as though the air had been pulled from his lungs. "My sons," he whispered. Then silence. It took several minutes for Ramos to summon more words. "All I think about at night is the day I have to leave my family. I can't sleep. I've always been with them."

Then he talked about the memories he would never have, "their first dates, high school graduation, sports," and the tears falling from his eyes were mirrored only by those of his wife, who took his hand into hers.

to your newspaper article mrs.morgan, if you commited a crime then you should do the time. i feel bad for those two officers but if they knew that they weren't supposed to shoot at the fleeing smuggler, then why did they shoot. i think it's their fault, honestly, why did they clear the area where their shells had fallen? apparently they knew they weren't supposed to have shot at the man but they went ahead anyway right.

Jeanne Morgan Hesperia, Ca
Avon Park, Florida
2006-08-14 18:29:21

I included the article just in case you had not seen it.

My concerns are about the restrictions placed upon the Border Patrol agents. It seems a little ridiculous that they are prohibited from pursuit when they have a perpetrator in front of them that is breaking the law. It also seems that putting restrictions on these officers that prohibit them from exceeding the speed limit without calling for permission while they are in pursuit of the "bad guys" puts the offiers at a distinct disadvantage. I do not agree that they have different guidelines that those afforded any police officer in protecting the public.

I feel that the possible sentence of 10 to 20 years is excessive. I do not think that the drug smuggler should have been given immunity. AND, I certainly don't think we should pay him $5million dollars in damages!

I agree that these officers broke the law and perhaps engaged in behavior that was contrary to there rules and regulations. I agree that they should be punished for the wrongdoing. However, I was disappointed that the rules and regulations under which they work every day are restrictive to the degree that those breaking the law are at an extreme advantage.

I think we need these officers to be able to enforce the laws and protect the borders from those that would harm us all.

Jeanne Morgan Hesperia, Ca
Avon Park, Florida
2006-08-14 18:46:09



On 2006-08-14 10:15:03, connie said:



On 2006-08-14 09:35:45, Thomas Elpin said:

Does anyone read all this tripe?? Seriously, your arguments are all copied and pasted, do you have any thoughts of your own? Do you really expect anyone to read these novels of **** that are irrelevant??
you are so right. i only commented on the subject and she wrote me back this entire book. as if i have all the time in the world to read it.

Just in case you do have time to read, perhaps you should read things that are going to have an impact on the rest of your life, your children's lives and your grandchildren's lives.

The articles that have been forwarded and the letters written have been sent only to try to open a dialogue and present ideas and information to make you think. There are numerous people in this world that feel they have no responsibility or duty to become involved in the political process. Thinking about what is happening in the world is someone else's job. Then, all of a sudden one day they find that their world has changed, their freedoms have been lost and their RIGHTS AND PRIVILEGES to participate are gone.

This is not so farfetched my friends! In case you did not understand your history, this is what happened in Germany and started World War II.

We came to the defense of Europe, who do you think will help us if it happens again?

jesus CHRIST
Princeton, Florida
2006-08-15 11:01:02



On 2006-07-11 14:40:59, TOM RENICK said:

I grew up in Florida and in the 1950s, we had a lot of racisim and it was wrong. It was directed at other Americans whose ancesteral roots in this country were sometimes as deep as my own. It is not racisim to be alarmed when our country has been subjected to waves of undocmented Mexicans. Drive through any central Florida town and you will see huge numbers of signs in Spanish and thousands of poor Mexicans.They are changing our culture at warp speed. It is understandable why anyone would want to live here. It is also a fact that Florida employeers have been all eager to get the cheap labor. Now before you accuse me of being anti-hispanic I must tell you my Brother-in-law has been in Mexico 30 years as a Missionary and there are many fine Mexican folks there and in America. However we must secure our borders and deny the benefits our citizens enjoy to anyone who enters the country by illegal means. A guest worker program is o.k. after the illegal goes back and then gets in line to reenter America. To become a citizen one needs to earn the right by obeying our laws.
IMMIGRATION IS A MORE COMPLEX PROBLEM THAN CROSSING THE BORDER. THE ROOTS ARE IN THE GREED OF CAPITALISM AND GLOBALIZATION. WTO- RECQUIRES THAT LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES SQUEEZE LABOR AND OPEN THEIR DOOR TO AMERICA'S ENTERPRISES- ON THE OTHER HAND, BUS OWNER WOULD PREFER HIRE AN ILLEGAL AN SAVE MONEY IN SALARY, INSURANCE AND TAXES THAN A LOCAL NON- IMMIGRANT.
IN MY OPINION BORDERS ARE MAN MADE AND THEY SHOULD ONLY INDICATE A CHANGE IN GOVERMMENT - IT SHOULD NOT SEPARATE HUMANS.

Jeanne Morgan Hesperia, CA
Avon Park, Florida
2006-08-16 03:04:04



On 2006-08-15 11:01:02, jesus CHRIST said:



On 2006-07-11 14:40:59, TOM RENICK said:

I grew up in Florida and in the 1950s, we had a lot of racisim and it was wrong. It was directed at other Americans whose ancesteral roots in this country were sometimes as deep as my own. It is not racisim to be alarmed when our country has been subjected to waves of undocmented Mexicans. Drive through any central Florida town and you will see huge numbers of signs in Spanish and thousands of poor Mexicans.They are changing our culture at warp speed. It is understandable why anyone would want to live here. It is also a fact that Florida employeers have been all eager to get the cheap labor. Now before you accuse me of being anti-hispanic I must tell you my Brother-in-law has been in Mexico 30 years as a Missionary and there are many fine Mexican folks there and in America. However we must secure our borders and deny the benefits our citizens enjoy to anyone who enters the country by illegal means. A guest worker program is o.k. after the illegal goes back and then gets in line to reenter America. To become a citizen one needs to earn the right by obeying our laws.
IMMIGRATION IS A MORE COMPLEX PROBLEM THAN CROSSING THE BORDER. THE ROOTS ARE IN THE GREED OF CAPITALISM AND GLOBALIZATION. WTO- RECQUIRES THAT LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES SQUEEZE LABOR AND OPEN THEIR DOOR TO AMERICA'S ENTERPRISES- ON THE OTHER HAND, BUS OWNER WOULD PREFER HIRE AN ILLEGAL AN SAVE MONEY IN SALARY, INSURANCE AND TAXES THAN A LOCAL NON- IMMIGRANT.
IN MY OPINION BORDERS ARE MAN MADE AND THEY SHOULD ONLY INDICATE A CHANGE IN GOVERMMENT - IT SHOULD NOT SEPARATE HUMANS.

It is a complex problem because everyone wants to provide for themselves and their families. BUT, you cannot have everyone crossing borders, working and paying no taxes, receiving social services such as education, medical care, and retirement benefits from a country where they are not a participating citizen.

It would be great if the country's citizens were agreeable to paying for benefits to those that did not contribute but most people do not want to pay additional taxes to compensate for those that do not want to pay any taxes.

Since the governments of all countries have no money except what they collect in taxes, it makes it difficult unless you restrict those that may come into the country, those that may work in your country, and insist that all people in the country pay taxes for the benefits and services they can and do expect to receive.

M.E.2.
Milton, Florida
2006-08-17 17:16:36

One way to help stop the Illegal flow is to hire MORE BORDER GUARDS, The easiest way to pay for this is to make a stamp saying no Illegal's take 20% or more from the stampes to pay for the officers.The Gov is doing this for the no hunting people. This way we can put more AMERICANS to work and help with the tide of Illegal people from all over the world not just Mexicans.

Jeanne Morgan, Hesperia, CA
Avon Park, Florida
2006-08-18 16:56:24



On 2006-08-17 17:16:36, M.E.2. said:

One way to help stop the Illegal flow is to hire MORE BORDER GUARDS, The easiest way to pay for this is to make a stamp saying no Illegal's take 20% or more from the stampes to pay for the officers.The Gov is doing this for the no hunting people. This way we can put more AMERICANS to work and help with the tide of Illegal people from all over the world not just Mexicans.
If more people realized what the cost is going to be in HUGE taxes, lost jobs, decrease in wages, housing, overloading of their schools and hospitals they would be happy to pay for additional border guards and enforcement.

Also, don't forget social Security benefits. Social Security doen't just mean retirement benefits at 67, it means SSI monthly benefits for kids, alcoholics, and drug addiction. It means Medicare benefits and nursing home care for dependent elderly that have NEVER worked in the United States.

Additionally, the "Baby Boomers" generation will be retiring this decade. They will be the largest group of Social Security beneficiaries ever.

Since there was no Social Security Reform, the only way this will all get paid for is by RAISING TAXES, increasing the amount paid by the working for Social Security benefits, Medicare cost increases, supplemental insurance increases, and a decrease in social benefits of all types.

ONCE THIS HAS STARTED, IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE TO STOP! If Congress passes this legislation allowing illegal aliens to become legal all benefits, rights and priveleges will be allocated to them.

After that, all you will be able to do is whine and complain and wish you had become involved!

Stevie
Lakeland, Florida
2006-08-19 12:52:38

As a Local Contractor and Investor. I agree with the statements you have clearly marked public. It is overwhelming to see what used to "United we Stand" "United we Fall" turn into an individual who has no clue about what "We the people" stand for. All I am saying in a matter of fact situation is this, welcome to America...can I see your papers

connie
Marlin, Texas
2006-09-12 11:13:45



On 2006-08-14 18:46:09, Jeanne Morgan Hesperia, Ca said:



On 2006-08-14 10:15:03, connie said:



On 2006-08-14 09:35:45, Thomas Elpin said:

Does anyone read all this tripe?? Seriously, your arguments are all copied and pasted, do you have any thoughts of your own? Do you really expect anyone to read these novels of **** that are irrelevant??
you are so right. i only commented on the subject and she wrote me back this entire book. as if i have all the time in the world to read it.

Just in case you do have time to read, perhaps you should read things that are going to have an impact on the rest of your life, your children's lives and your grandchildren's lives.

The articles that have been forwarded and the letters written have been sent only to try to open a dialogue and present ideas and information to make you think. There are numerous people in this world that feel they have no responsibility or duty to become involved in the political process. Thinking about what is happening in the world is someone else's job. Then, all of a sudden one day they find that their world has changed, their freedoms have been lost and their RIGHTS AND PRIVILEGES to participate are gone.

This is not so farfetched my friends! In case you did not understand your history, this is what happened in Germany and started World War II.

We came to the defense of Europe, who do you think will help us if it happens again?

look Ms Jeanne Morgan from how you write it is so easy to see that you are a RACIS and you are strongly DISCRIMINATIVE aginst the Mexicans. i will pray for you so that God can take out of your heart all that HATE you have against you're brother and sister, because under GOD we are all brothers and sisters and we're all equal whether you like it or not. We are ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISABLE AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. You see where it says JUSTICE FOR ALL . Read the aligence, maybe that will knock some sence into you. In the end we will all be judged and whether we go to heaven or hell, in either one of those places it aint gonna matter if you're an American or if you're not.All different types od races will be there, and what you say or think aint gointo matter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

anonymous
Avon Park, Florida
2006-09-13 16:48:01

Connie, for some reason you identify my opposition to illegal aliens with discrimination and racial dislike for Mexicans. You are wrong. There are ILLEGAL ALIENS in this country from every country in the world, not just Mexico. I have many friends that are Mexican. I have a Mexican daughter-in-law.

I am not opposed to people coming here legally. I am not opposed to ANYONE of ANY RACE coming to this country as long as they do it legally! I am in favor of people having a better life but not at the expense of others or by force.

NO ONE has a right to illegally take anything from someone else. When you break the law, you are doing wrong. I am sorry that other countries do not feel the need to provide for their citizens, but their failure is not my fault. It is the fault of the citizens of that country for not demanding a government that answers their needs.

This country was founded on laws and a constitution that was by the people and for the people. Those people are the citizens of the United States. That does not mean that ANYONE or EVERYONE in the world is entitled to take whatever they want from our citizens. You do not let anyone that wants what you have to come into your home and take whatever they want. We do not allow anyone that wants what we have to come into our country and take whatever they want. You must abide by the law.

If you expect the law to protect you, you must assume that the law must also protect the rest of us. We as citizens of this country have a right to expect the law to protect our borders, enforce legislation and laws that prohibit illegal use of services, and protect the American Taxpayers from costs related to illegal aliens.

If this offends you, I am sorry. I am not willing to pay for ILLEGAL ALIENS that come here from ANY country.

connie
Marlin, Texas
2006-09-15 15:05:20



On 2006-09-13 16:48:01, anonymous said:

Connie, for some reason you identify my opposition to illegal aliens with discrimination and racial dislike for Mexicans. You are wrong. There are ILLEGAL ALIENS in this country from every country in the world, not just Mexico. I have many friends that are Mexican. I have a Mexican daughter-in-law.

I am not opposed to people coming here legally. I am not opposed to ANYONE of ANY RACE coming to this country as long as they do it legally! I am in favor of people having a better life but not at the expense of others or by force.

NO ONE has a right to illegally take anything from someone else. When you break the law, you are doing wrong. I am sorry that other countries do not feel the need to provide for their citizens, but their failure is not my fault. It is the fault of the citizens of that country for not demanding a government that answers their needs.

This country was founded on laws and a constitution that was by the people and for the people. Those people are the citizens of the United States. That does not mean that ANYONE or EVERYONE in the world is entitled to take whatever they want from our citizens. You do not let anyone that wants what you have to come into your home and take whatever they want. We do not allow anyone that wants what we have to come into our country and take whatever they want. You must abide by the law.

If you expect the law to protect you, you must assume that the law must also protect the rest of us. We as citizens of this country have a right to expect the law to protect our borders, enforce legislation and laws that prohibit illegal use of services, and protect the American Taxpayers from costs related to illegal aliens.

If this offends you, I am sorry. I am not willing to pay for ILLEGAL ALIENS that come here from ANY country.

you do not have to appologize i was not offended. you just sound to be discriminative, that's all. oh, and ahout your daughter-in-law, how do you feel about her background? remember she's from another country, aint she?

zavell, martin county fl
Stuart, Florida
2006-10-15 14:56:52

What if the native americans had the power to make the first illegals to leave, then maybe nun of us would be here.

Brad
Lakeland, Florida
2006-10-30 08:58:33



On 2006-07-12 19:42:14, Jeanne Morgan Hesperia, California said:

From Senator Boxer’s Website,“In 2002 Senator Boxer authored legislation, passed by the Senate, to increase criminal penalties for anyone who produces, transfers, possesses, or uses a fake ID in connection with domestic terrorism. It became law in 2005. In both 2002 and 2003, the Senate passed Boxer’s proposal requiring the Transportation Security Administration to develop guidelines on the training of airline workers and the use of technology to detect fake IDs.”

OKAY! So what has happened with this? Why weren’t ILLEGAL ALIENS working in the U.S. illegally included in this? They either steal a Social Security Number or buy fake IDS with intent to commit an unlawful act. Why weren’t the employers who hire ILLEGAL ALIENS included in the process? If the TSA needs guidelines, why not the U.S. employers?

Employers that HIRE ILLEGAL ALIENS often pay in cash, below the minimum wage, and deny benefits. THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW! What is the Senate’s problem with SEVERE PENALTIES AND/OR JAIL TIME for employers that break the law EVERY DAY, MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY?

What is the senate’s problem with STOPPING ILLEGAL ALIENS from entering, working, and staying in this country? Only 2% actually work in the agriculture industry. The rest DO TAKE JOBS AMERICANS WILL DO. They are damaging our country, our economy and costing American taxpayers BILLIONS every year for education, medical care, welfare, housing, and criminal incarceration.

from the Los Angeles Times:
1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L.A.County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L.A.County).
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare.
Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.
The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average АDULT Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE.

Jeanne is right on the mark. To mention these facts, stats, and projections is only common sence. It is a responsible way to recognize that we are giving rights to non-citizens like if they even could read and comprehend the Constitution of the US. Most immigrants should be allowed in that demonstrate a financial responsibility. The fact is that even without any social services programs for any immigrants, the United States of America doesnt have balanced books. Look at any municipality. If a local government has ever a surplus, it is only temporary. Simply calculate the amount of carreers and jobs currently , and the amount that this tax base creates. Then start counting all state , federal, local, city, county, military, police, firefighter, and all other ways to spend a tax dollar on roads, community development etc. Then count the children, then count the retired. You will see maybe 80 million supporting 300 million. How does that math work? All construction projects and improvements seem to be based on tax bond issues. If you think your home is paid off, look again the area is already mortgaged to the hilt, hoping the stock market, and Government bonds will pay off the note for infrastructure improvements and additions in thirty years. You will find thatAmerica has always brought in would be voters. Anyone that is of political office, looks like they help to make any immigrants citizens, will get their vote. How did a local , state or national figure directly affect your life with financial gain? Only if you have a special interest group lobbying for change will your company find a niche to profit from. Where is your vote? Is it with humanity, or only for profit. These are the issues regardless of race, citizenship,immigration,age,sex, or religion.
Simply our realization as American citizens, is to vote for who makes a moral and financial difference in our life. People that immigrate and become citizens if given the chance, will vote for who (they think)affected them to be an American citizen. This is common sence. Existing American citizens are caught in thier own trap. Protecting thier wealth from hoardes of invaders. The cycle will, never stop, it is built into our constitution.We wont demo the statue of liberty, so why think we have any control over this wave of constant immigrants.
The solutiuon is simple. Stiff fines and penalties should be slowly advertised and on the media forefront to communicate the need for all employers to commit themselves to the fact that all employees should be documented and properly taxed. The fact is many labor type of jobs would be re-created if in fact shareholders and primary executors of any business were held accountable for only employing American citizens, regardless of race or what country they came from. It would cause a major short term blip in the stock market, ask anyone. Are we willing to strip the current progress and re-invent ourselves. Nobody will go for it.
America has simply profited emmensely from undocumented workers throughout history. Anyone that buys a new Home in Phoenix Arizona (many examples exist)will have over half the labor hours on thier new home completion done by undocumented workers. realization of this ploitical topic isnt new, its just finally getting alot of press. No workers comp can cover an employee that is paid cash and off the books. No tax revenue can be extracted from a workers that pays no income tax. Look at the ones who profit. The home buyer, the home builder, the Local tax sale on the new home offered up to that state or local municipality. The tax deal seems a wash if you really add it up.An undocumented worker costs one third the buisness overhead no matter what the wage.
In summary Americans have become spoiled. They always do become this way. They will always start a business (get a job etc), and try to make money. There are moral issues everywhere for financial gain. To provide for ones family is a serious society pressure. How many reading this have sacraficed the law, morality, and common sence to profit financially. The majority I bet. I dont see any that really work as hard as the immigrants starting from scratch with hopes and dreams in a new world. The immigrants arent the problem, and neither is the economy. The facts remain that documentation has become a law. Enforcing the law may be wrought with short term enforcement isuues, but we should embrace the immigrants, just realize that no system is perfect, and everyone can always hide behind a constition for America that is fair and equitable.Realizing that our children don't stand a chance working against a labor market that is more productive and physically able than they are is a problem. I am not profiling here, I am telling the truth about a learned work ethic. Most children in this country have so much wealth and opportunity to draw from, it is obvious a vote for all of them to have a menial labor job would fail.These immigrants arent taking jobs from american workers. Example,Union Trade building skills cannot be learned by just crossing the border, it takes a four year apprenticeship. This isn't skilled labor we are recieving from immigrants, not in the short term. The fact is, they wouldnt come here, unless we needed them. Young Americans have now another force to deal with. Immigrants, as if enabling parents werent bad enough.
Social practices have allowed this to happen. Not politics, not the Government, we have done it to ourselves. Our children should be doing these menial jobs, from the age of 16 to 20. They will learn discipline, money skills, and the basic need for them to suceed. The will realize sucess, not failure. Just as stepping stones work in mathmatics, so do the ones in life.We throw our American children into the mix professionally with an older more skilled crowd. Can they realize sucess, truely rare. Only in this way can we truely be created equal. Think on it. Stats are stats, but people are people.

Harry from Winter Haven
Bartow, Florida
2006-10-30 11:55:04



On 2006-07-11 14:40:59, TOM RENICK said:

I grew up in Florida and in the 1950s, we had a lot of racisim and it was wrong. It was directed at other Americans whose ancesteral roots in this country were sometimes as deep as my own. It is not racisim to be alarmed when our country has been subjected to waves of undocmented Mexicans. Drive through any central Florida town and you will see huge numbers of signs in Spanish and thousands of poor Mexicans.They are changing our culture at warp speed. It is understandable why anyone would want to live here. It is also a fact that Florida employeers have been all eager to get the cheap labor. Now before you accuse me of being anti-hispanic I must tell you my Brother-in-law has been in Mexico 30 years as a Missionary and there are many fine Mexican folks there and in America. However we must secure our borders and deny the benefits our citizens enjoy to anyone who enters the country by illegal means. A guest worker program is o.k. after the illegal goes back and then gets in line to reenter America. To become a citizen one needs to earn the right by obeying our laws.

Tom you hit the nail on the head. I read an article in one of my veterans magazines and a gentlemen stated the folowing: An illegal can cross the border( automatically makes them a fugitive), they can buy fake social security cards, green cards and driver licenses. Now if an American did any one of the before mentioned we would be in jail. Why can they get away with this but if we crossed the border into Mexico and get causght we would be thrown into prison by the Mexican government.

Jeanne Morgan, Hesperia, Ca
Avon Park, Florida
2006-10-30 17:32:32

Well, think about it. The indians had been here for generations. They lived a simple life and died quite young. The Indians accepted the immigrants at first, many helped build shelter, plant food, and trade. They did not have the ability to turn away the European immigrants and therefore, lost their country.

They were persecuted, killed, exploited, and driven into small reservations on land that was non-productive. They suffered greatly, their treaties with the government that evolved were useless and their lives have become a torture of drugs, alcohol, lack of education and jobs.

We must have control of the number of immigrants. They must assimilate into our culture. They must be educated, have job skills, speak our language, and have a desire to change their allegiance to this country.

It will be impossible for the country to grow and thrive if we have to have every American Citizen supporting one illegal alien that cannot contribute their share of taxes. This will destroy our economy and there will be nothing left that can help anyone.

IS THIS WHAT WE HOPE TO GAIN BY BEING ACCEPTING OF AN INVASION OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS? THINK ABOUT IT!

Jeanne Morgan, Hesperia, Ca
Avon Park, Florida
2006-10-30 17:45:48

PLEASE UNDERSTAND.....the government has no money. The only money that the government (federal, state, county, city governments) can spend is that which they get from taxes.

NO TAXES...NO BENEFITS! No roads, no sewers, no water pumping stations, no electricity, no gas, no Social Security, no welfare, no medical care, no schools, no military, no fire department, no police department, no government or government services.

If people do not work and pay taxes we all suffer the losses that are common to all civilization. We will all do without the benefits we have worked so hard to gain through the years.

We are a productive society because we are innovative, hard working, and diverse. We are the only country that everyone is trying to get in and no one is fighting to get out!

Skip
Hudson, Florida
2006-10-31 17:10:21

Every Illegal immigirant, caught in the U.S.A should be sent to Iraq and or any other country that U.S. soldiers are defending and dieing for . They should fight for the country they chose to live in should they do 3 years defending this country as I did then they are welcome to stay, if not ship there BUTTS back to Mexico and make sure they stay there. The goverment should start canvassing ALL the constuction sites and small businness, these people are putting the real americans in a bind. Taking our jobs, living 3 and 4 families in a single family home, paying NO TAXES. basicly living off you and me. I,m TIRED OF IT and you should be to.

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  On 2006-10-31 17:10:21, Skip  said:
Every Illegal immigirant, caught in the U.S.A should be sent to Iraq and or any other country that U.S. soldiers are defending and dieing for . They should fight for the country they chose to live in should they do 3 years defending this country as I did then they are welcome to stay, if not ship there BUTTS back to Mexico and make sure they stay there. The goverment should start canvassing ALL the constuction sites and small businness, these people are putting the real americans in a bind. Taking our jobs, living 3 and 4 families in a single family home, paying NO TAXES. basicly living off you and me. I,m TIRED OF IT and you should be to.
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